Pro and Con 956

Posted 10-8-02

John Tng's post on his 5 Doves site (7 Oct 2002)

"Year 2003 OR Oct 23rd Or Oct 28th?"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2002/tng107.htm

Some of you couldn't quite see the year 2003 in the dove picture. I have highlighted it below:

My comment

In my picture, the lower red contrail makes a 3.

Debkafile headline re: Iraq

http://www.debka.com/
Shin Beit Shows Documents Revealing Saddam Paid out $15m to Palestinian Suicide Killers’ Families in Two Years Iraqi Ruler Also Awarded $10,000 to Relatives of Every Israeli Arab Killed in Pro-Palestinian Riots in October 2000

An excerpt from 5 Doves site

David Campbell (8 Oct 2002)
"JAMES, CHAPTER 5 LEAPING OFF THE PAGE!"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2002/davidc108.htm

> > YES, THE RAPTURE IS NEAR WHEN YOU SEE THIS!
> > Jam 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
> > Jam 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
> > JESUS IS COMING VERY SOON!!

Yes, when the Rapture is nigh applies now. The Jewish year is 5763. We are now between the former rain and the latter rain of 5763. Think about his "patience for it (the fruit of the Earth), until he receive the early AND latter rain."

Believers are the fruit. The early rain of Tishri 1, 5763 (Sept. 7, 2002) is over. The latter rain of Nisan 1, 5763 (April 3, 2003) is yet to come. Could this mean that the Rapture will take place after April 3, 2003?

Is that what the 2003 in the sky means? If you look at the way John Tng saw the final 3 in the Minuteman III contrail and the way I saw the final 3, there could be two 3's in the contrail. Could it hint that the Rapture could be after April 3, 2003?

Keep watching. Pentecost can be either Sivan 6 (June 6) or Sivan 7 (June 7, 2003), according to whether Nisan 16 or 17 is counted as day #1, according to whether we use Jewish Inclusive Reckoning or not.

What follows Nisan 1? The 3 feasts, Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits. Christ fulfilled those. If we don't use Inclusive Reckoning, next is Ascension Day (May 28, 2003) and then Pentecost (Sivan 7, June 7, 2003).

Will we have to wait for another Pentecost? Agape

PS: In my picture, I didn't notice the 3 that John drew. I saw the 3 in the red-orange contrail at the bottom.

Astronomers slice and dice galaxies

JOINT ASTRONOMY CENTRE NEWS RELEASE 10-8-02

New views of star birth and the heart of a spiral galaxy have been seen by a state-of-the-art astronomical instrument on its first night. The new UKIRT Imaging Spectrometer (UIST) has a revolutionary ability to 'slice' any object in the sky into sections, producing a three dimensional view of the conditions throughout entire galaxies in a single observation. UIST has just been installed on the United Kingdom Infrared Telescope (UKIRT) in Hawaii.

UIST infrared image of the OMEGA Nebula, a site of star formation 5000 light years from Earth. Credit: Joint Astronomy Centre...

The instrument saw its 'First Light' on the night of 24th September, when it was trained on the OMEGA Nebula....

The OMEGA Nebula (Messier 17): This nebula is a gas cloud which is a site of vigorous star formation. It is located in our own galaxy at a distance of 5000 light years from Earth....

My comments

Look at the center of the picture above. Not only is this The OMEGA Nebula, the face of a lion can be seen in it.

In Rev. 1:8, Christ said, "I am Alpha and OMEGA, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the Almighty."

Rev. 5:5 is after the Rapture takes place. It says, "behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book (Title Deed of the Earth), and to loose the seven seals thereof."

Rev. 22:12-14 says, "I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and OMEGA, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Astronomy picture of the day

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Quaoar: Large Asteroid in the Outer Solar System
Credit: Chad Trujillo & Michael Brown (Caltech)
Explanation: Asteroids almost as large as planets are still being discovered in our own Solar System. Recently an asteroid more than half the size of Pluto was found orbiting at a distance only a little further than the Solar System's most distant planet. The large asteroid moves relative to background stars in the discovery images shown above (not shown here) taken by the Oschin Telescope at Palomar, California, USA. Quaoar, the name suggested for the space rock by its discoverers, is one of several large asteroids discovered recently that roam in the distant Kuiper Belt. Quaoar's size was resolved by images from the Hubble Space Telescope. Quaoar is likely a cold world covered in ice from which the Sun appears only as a particularly bright star.

SADDAM'S INNER CIRCLE IS DEFECTING, SAY IRAQI EXILES

http://www.jvim.com/cgi-bin/update.cgi

10-7-02 - The London Daily Telegraph reports: "Saddam Hussein's power base is coming under extreme pressure, with members of his inner circle defecting to the opposition or making discreet offers of peace in the hope of being spared retribution if the Baghdad dictator is toppled, according to Iraqi exiles.

Ayad al-Awi, the head of the opposition Iraqi National Accord, said his group in recent weeks had received senior defectors from the Iraqi security services, which form the regime's nerve centre.

At the same time Kurdish groups said they had received secret approaches from military commanders offering to turn their weapons on Saddam when the war began.

They said members of the al-Majid clan, the pillar of Saddam's tribal power base, had made contact to seek assurances about their fate.

These signs of fragmentation indicate for the first time that Saddam's senior lieutenants believe that the United States and Britain are serious about toppling him....

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Great Falling Away after the Departure of the Church By Prof. J.S. Malan, University of the North, South Africa http://www.bibleguide.com/old/articles/english/departure.htm Abstract: The departure (gr. apostasia) of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 will precede the revelation of the man of sin (the Antichrist). The rendering of apostasia as "rebellion", "apostasy" or "falling away" in most English Bibles is unfortunate since these are secondary, or derived, meanings of the word. Its primary meaning is "departure" which, in this verse, refers to the rapture of the church. In consequence of the rapture, great apostasy will occur on earth while the Antichrist institutes his lawless and utterly sinful reforms. That time will be characterised by a worldwide moral and spiritual falling away....

The departure (apostasia) The word apostasia in verse 3, translated in the King James Version as "falling away," is problematical to many people. In terms of this rendering it is assumed that Christians will not only experience the great falling away of the last days but will also be here during the revelation of the Antichrist. A careful exposition of the verse shows that these assumptions are unfounded.

The Greek word apostasia means departure, withdrawal or separation. A spiritual and moral falling away can be read into this word only as a secondary meaning, deduced from its basic reference to the departure of the truth. Apostasia is derived from the particle apo which means off or away [from something near], in various senses of place, time or relation. It denotes separation, departure, or the cessation [of a relationship]. The verb correlate of apostasia is aphistemi which, according to Strong's Concordance, means to depart, withdraw, draw (fall) away, remove.

Even in cases where aphistemi is used to denote a spiritual falling away (e.g. Lk. 8:13, 1 Tim. 4:1 and Heb. 3:12) it is grammatically more correct to describe the act as a departing from faith (as in the latter two verses) rather than a falling away (as in Lk. 8:13). The following are examples of the rendering of aphistemi in the King James Version:

"…[she] departed not from the temple" (Lk. 2:37); "…he departed from Him for a season" (Lk. 4:13); "…and in time of temptation fall away" (Lk. 8:13); "Depart from Me" (Lk. 13:37); "…the angel departed from him" (Acts 12:10); "…who departed from them" (Acts 15:38); "…he departed from them" (Acts 19:9); "…they departed from him" (Acts 22:19); "…that it might depart from me" (2 Cor. 12:8); "…depart from the faith" (1 Tim. 4:1); "…from such withdraw thyself" (1 Tim. 6:5); "…depart from iniquity" (2 Tim. 2:19); "…departing from the living God" (Heb. 3:12).

In view of these examples it is clear that the basic meaning of the word apostasia and its verb form of aphistemi is to depart. For this reason, the word apostasia in 2 Thess. 2:3 was translated as departing first in the following seven English Bibles before the King James Version: Wycliffe Bible (1384), Tyndale Bible (1526), Coverdale Bible (1535), Cranmer Bible (1539), Breeches Bible (1576), Beza Bible (1583), and the Geneva Bible (1608).

The Vulgate uses the Latin word discessio, meaning departure. In a footnote to 2 Thess. 2:3 the Amplified Bible makes the following remark: "A possible rendering of apostasia is departure [of the church]." In its full meaning, this verse reads:

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [the day of the Lord] shall not come, except there come a departing [of the church] first, and that man of sin [the Antichrist] be revealed, the son of perdition…"... In verses 3 and 4, Paul states the fact of the departure of the church, followed by the revelation of the Antichrist and the implementation of his wicked reforms. This order of events is again stated in verses 6 to 12, with the addition of more information. The two descriptions of the same scenario can be compared as follows:

The rapture: The apostasia (departing) shall come first (v. 3).
The rapture: He who now withholds will be taken out of the way (v.7).

Coming of the Antichrist: The man of sin will then be revealed (v.3).
Coming of the Antichrist: Then shall the Wicked be revealed (v. 8).

Falling away through anti-Christian reforms: The Antichrist will promote sin and wickedness, exalt himself above all religions, desecrate the temple and declare himself to be God (v. 3-4).
Falling away through anti-Christian reforms: His coming and wicked reforms will be after the working of Satan with evil powers, lies, occult wonders and all kinds of deception (v. 8-10).

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Some time ago I sent you an e-mail, where I wondered about dreams and visions with a certain date. Now, I return to 1998. In early P/C:s (about 100 or so) there is recorded a dream I saw in winter of 1998 (Feb/March?) I tell it now again because I think I understood something more about it. I was in the lake areas, where I visit at least in the summer time. I thought that I was at the same area in the beginning of the dream - it was summertime, however, in the dream.

This is how I remember it:

The "camera angle" came above the water from east. I was standing in a beautiful place with several small ponds. I was expecting Rapture, and kind of tried to" jump up" a few times. The scenery changed and I saw a place with as if man made big holes with gravel and stones and some water at the bottom.

Then suddenly the Rapture took place. I was kind of gently put up side down and went really fast, feet first, towards bautiful white summer clouds. I remember the speed and how I approached a small hole in the clouds. As a reached the clouds I suddenly woke up and the dream ended.

As I woke up I was amazed that the rapture would be feet first - nowhere had I heard about that, BUT, as I sent the story to you and read that Pro-Con there was an other report ( an American man if I remember right )of a dream where a man saw people going up as candles upside down. He himself was also going up.( I saw nobody else in my dream.)

Ever since I have wondered and waited whether I could again recoqnize the place I saw - I haven´t so far. As I see similar clouds with small holes I think "now it looks like rapture clouds" - evidently it was May-July because it looked like summer season and somethat bright night or maybe dawn.

It was only later, after Pentecost -98 or -99, when I realized that indeed in the dream I kind of tried to jump a few times before the real thing - I understood that it probably reflected the fact that we did expect to be raptured then - In the dream the rapture came quite suddenly (when the Lord commands).

Only last night I figured that there maybe was another thing that unveils only later.

The beautiful ponds and the "gravel holes" might point to same area! It has been unusually dry spring, summer and fall here. Many wells in the country are dry and water line in the big lakes has dropped a little. If the dry season continues ponds and even lakes could look like gravel yards.

This remains to be seen, but the message could be that rapture takes place during record drought (in Finland). Agape

Ps the previous e-mail was sent 22.nd Sept, with subject "greetings"

(Here it is)

Winter is coming after a warm summer. I have studied regularly the results of your hard work - almost 1000 P/C's!!!

I have nothing particular new to add, but a few thoughts I have listed here.

Again we see the unfortunate result of demanding Iraq to obey UN resolutions. Like after Gulf war, nations hostile to Israel demand that old and unfair resolutions (after six days war and earlier) be also fullfilled.

If Saddam Hussein dies in this present campaign, the result could be - UN governed Iraq - and like you have always said, the final Babylonian "empire".

I have also monitored the Five Doves site and studied what David Wilkerson says (Times Square Church N.Y.) The Doves site has one negative thing. One can draw only one conclusion from the numerous "visions", dreams and stories where a certain date is mentioned (like the little boy story included in P/C 950) - the stories are very convincing, but they spring forth from common expectation (Rapture soon) and add a miraculous or reliable sounding story. I remember many similar ones - like the man who heard a voice that said that when you see a coin of 1998 the Rapture is at hand. They remind me of a true story recorded by a finnish author. As the II WW started in the east - after Hitler attacked Russia - also finnish army advanced to recapture the territories stolen by Soviet Russia in the winterwar (1939-40). The war started in early summer and there was a story circulating among soldiers that "a farmer bet a cow that the soldiers could return to make hay" Later stories told that a farmer bet all his cattle that the war would be over by haymaking time. They all more or less believed as they wanted to believe to sudden end of the war, which eventually raged 5 years.

I begin to think that the stories with a certain date - oftern times supposedly spoken by angels or even Jesus - are rather deriving from the opponent side.

Perhaps a biblical practise of trusting a witness only if two or three confirm should be adopted. Also we must remember that thougt it is said that we have been told "all things", Jesus quite particularly emphasized that "no one knows of the date or the hour". We notice - if we watch - that things are moving toward the horrible end time events told in the Bible, and we should have a "Condition Orange" ( Or Red !) in our lives.

I recommed studying Wilkersons net site or books. He told in advance about 500 oilfires - the were 503 in Kuwait. He saw earlier a vision of 1000 fires and riots in NY. In recent postings he says he believes they are not a direct result of a terrorist attack but rather caused by economic collapse.

We are now witnessing remarkable advance in evangelization of eastern nations (Russia, China etc) but also Israel and Islamic countries. It is also a sign of end of this age. Agape

My reply

> > I was expecting Rapture, and kind of tried to" jump up" a few times.

That sure fits the times we have expected the Rapture and it didn't happen.

> > Many wells in the country are dry and water line in the big lakes has dropped a little. If the dry season continues ponds and even lakes could look like gravel yards.

This remains to be seen, but the message could be that rapture takes place during record drought (in Finland).

We have drought here in Southern California and some other western states. This brings up the fire danger. Israel is hard hit. The Sea of Galilee is very low. Syria is planning to pump off water from a river that would feed into Israel. The two witnesses of Rev. 11:f can keep it from raining for 3.5 years. It may be that this drought has already been progressing in various places. That would mean that the Rapture was nigh. Keep watching.

> > evidently it was May-July because it looked like summer season and somethat bright night or maybe dawn.

Because of the great difference in summer and winter light in Finland, you can tell that better than we can here. If the Rapture would take us next May-July, Pentecost would fit. Sivan 6/7, 5763 will be June 6/7, 2003. If we are still here after Hanukkah, I think we would go on Pentecost too.
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> > If Saddam Hussein dies in this present campaign, the result could be - UN governed Iraq - and like you have always said, the final Babylonian "empire".

I think this division of Iraq makes sense. The lower part would be used to build a new capitol of the world, Babylon III.

As for dreams and visions, they may be true or not. We have to see if they agree with Scripture, the only real 100% truth we have. Agape

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From: Jack Parrish
Subject: #793-C = 10/6/02 = "Which Bible verses did the NIV delete?"

Hi Folks, All credit, again, is given to Sister Tracy for her steadfast work at http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivdelet.htm . If you are looking for Truth, you will always receive it from this courageous young lady. She has graciously consented for me to copy and distribute anything on her site, which I will do from time to time. Love, Jack Parrish,

Which Bible verses did the NIV delete?

Several readers have asked me this question so I thought it worthwhile to include my response here. Please note that these are only WHOLE verses that the NIV deletes. This list does not include the many words and phrases that were completely deleted from the NIV--it deletes over 64,000 words including words like mercyseat, Jehovah, and Godhead. It removes meaningful, well-known Bible words like Calvary, Lucifer, new testament, regeneration, etc. Most of the modern Bibles line up very closely with the NIV--and so does the New World Translation--the Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses which predates the NIV!

When you read below where I say that a verse is COMPLETELY deleted, I mean clean/bald-headed/gone/vanished deleted. For instance, if you search for Acts 8:37 in the NIV you will read,

36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?" 38And he ordered the chariot to stop. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

Verse 37 is CLEAN, BALD-HEADED, GONE, VANISHED, MY FRIENDS (and it is a powerful verse)! Some foolish people have written me saying, "But it says something in the footnotes." I have three responses. (1) When you are reading your Bible do you look at the footnotes after every verse? Do you say "I am reading verse 3 so let me look below and see if something in verse 3 is missing."? Even if you did do that (which you don't) the footnotes say that the "best manuscripts" don't have the verse--will you then agree with them that the verse doesn't belong? If not, then why are you reading an NIV? (2) Not all the word deletions are found in the footnotes of the NIV so don't think for a second that they are letting you know all the changes they made. (3) The next logical step will be for the NIV to omit the footnotes and just reorder everything. In the example above verse 38 would become verse 37 so it wouldn't look funny. Look at the J.B. Phillips translation--that heretick didn't number the individual verses so you don't know what you're missing. It's paragraph style. The NIV may go that way too. They are desensitizing you to the changing of the very words of God. In summary, they'll either renumber or go to that paragraph format.

Wait a minute, hold the presses! I got the following from Bill W. one of our dear readers:

"I was in the Christian Book store today. I saw some thing that shocked me. I look through the Bibles often. I looked at the CHILDREN'S NIV. I looked up the missing verses and there was something I could not believe. I looked up Matt 17:21 and of course it is missing BUT in this Children's Bible it was typed out like this 20/21 and the 21st verse was still missing. They make you think that you read the 21st verse but it still is just the 20th verse! Can you believe it???!!! If you want to look for yourself find the CHILDREN'S NIrV BIBLE, and see for yourself. I did look in the other NIV's to see if they did the same thing. They DID NOT do that, BUT how long before they do?????!"

They are already sneaking the deletions into the children's Bibles! This is the second time that I've heard of those foxes pulling one over on little helpless children. The other thing I've seen them do is retranslate the kids' and prisoners' Bibles to make them gender neutral. Of course those foxes didn't market them that way, they just snuck in the gender inclusivity. See this article for details.

Another update! I just opened the JW "Bible", the New World Translation (1961 ed.), and looked up all the verses that the NIV completely deletes. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS BIBLE DELETES THE EXACT SAME ONES!!!! I mean ALL of 'em! The only difference between the NIV and the New World Translation deletions is that the JW Bible does not include any footnotes! Isn't that what I said above, that the NIV would eventually delete the footnotes? To learn more about the Jehovah's Witnesses and their damnable doctrines go to our article on cults.

Our illiterate, lazy culture has spilled over to many professing Christians who have embraced the ways of the sluggard (and their want shall come upon them as an armed man). They are willing to read a Satanic "Bible" version missing what God says so they can be lazy and not do their due diligence. Your modern Bible perversion was written by men using dynamic equivalence. In other words, they are telling you their interpretation and their doctrine--NOT what the manuscripts really say. Don't believe me? Look at the article on the NIV using gender inclusive language. Gender inclusivity wasn't in the "originals"--it is a modern, feminist concept born of REBELLION.

A number of brothers and sisters, after examining the facts, have said, "I'm getting a King James!" Many have shared what a blessing the King James Bible has been to them and their spiritual life. The King James isn't hard. I've seen one and two year olds quoting it and I am not exaggerating. I've taught it to people who cannot read and to children whose second language is English. I actually find the modern Bibles more difficult to read than the King James.

If you read a modern Bible, don't let your pride get in the way of really looking at this information. Some people get hostile because I'm sharing these facts. Look up the verses and see that what you call the Bible is not the Bible. Get a real Bible. The King James conformable to the edition of 1611--NOT the New King James or the KJ21, etc. they are not King James Bibles.

WHOLE Bible verses deleted in the NIV

The following WHOLE verses have been removed in the NIV--whether in the text or footnotes...over 40 IN ALL!!!

Matthew 12:47 -- removed in the footnotes

Matthew 17:21 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting."

Matthew 18:11 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."

Matthew 21:44 -- removed in the footnotes

Matthew 23:14 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."

Mark 7:16 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."

Mark 9:44 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Mark 9:46 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Mark 11:26 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."

Mark 15:28 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors."

Mark 16:9-20 (all 12 verses) -- There is a line separating the last 12 verses of Mark from the main text. Right under the line it says: [The two most reliable early manuscripts do not have Mark 16:9-20] (NIV, 1978 ed.) The Jehovah's Witness "Bible" also places the last 12 verses of Mark as an appendix of sorts.

Luke 17:36 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Luke 22:44 -- removed in the footnotes

Luke 22:43 -- removed in the footnotes

Luke 23:17 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "(For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)"

John 5:4 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."

John 7:53-8:11 -- removed in the footnotes

Acts 8:37 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. It's deletion makes one think that people can be baptized and saved without believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Sounds Catholic. What are you NIV readers missing? "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

Acts 15:34 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still."

Acts 24:7 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,"

Acts 28:29 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves."

Romans 16:24 -- COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. What are you NIV readers missing? "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

I John 5:7 -- Vitally important phrase COMPLETELY removed [also deleted from the Jehovah's Witness "Bible"]. In the NIV it says,

"For there are three that testify:"
Compare the NIV reading with the following Jehovah's Witness reading--

"For there are three witness bearers," What are you NIV readers missing? What does the real Bible say?

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." This is one of the GREATEST verses testifying of the trinity. That is why the Jehovah's Witnesses leave it out. They do not believe in the trinity and they do not believe that Jesus is God. Why does the NIV leave it out...? Whole books have been written on the manuscript evidence that supports inclusion of this verse in the Bible. Reader, do you believe in the triunity of God? If so, then this deletion should offend you. People are playing around with the Bible and it ain't funny.
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If not, you need to get a King James so you can have some confidence.
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He said, I said (MJA: ???)

One writer said to me, "You [do not] talk about the large section of Mark [referring to Mark 16:9-20] which was INCLUDED with the provison that the earliest reliable manuscripts did not include that section."

I said to him, That "provisional" statement is, at best, casting doubt on the word of God and at worst deleting the information in the footnotes. You say that the NIV says, the MOST RELIABLE manuscripts don't have it. That is as good as saying, "If you accept this rendering you are accepting an inferior, unreliable manuscript." What they DON'T tell you is that those same "reliable" manuscripts DON'T EVEN INCLUDE THE WHOLE BOOK OF REVELATION!!! If the manuscript is so reliable, then why did they take out the WHOLE book of Revelation? Mmm? Selective deletion? Why not be true to what they say are the earliest and most reliable manuscripts? I have no respect for this.

As I receive further information, I will update this page. This is a fight for the word of God, the product of the Reformation, the Authorized King James Version of 1611.

My reply

Thanks for this information. I read every translation I can get my hands on, but the first Bible I read, and still my main study Bible, is the KJV. I compare what other versions say with what it says. It is my anchor. Agape

Note: I clicked on a URL at the bottom of the page. It is an excellent list of Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus Christ. I wish every Jew that has not accepted Yeshua as their Saviour would read this and look up the scriptures. http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/messiah.htm

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In Genesis, God says 1000 years is like a day.

1000 years divided by 24 hours = 41.66666 years, or 15208 days.

June 10th 1967 (the end of the 6 day war) plus 15208 days, brings us to Jan 28th 2009.

Jan 28th, 2009 minus the 2300 days of shortened tribulation brings us to....

Saturday, October 12th, 2002. Best regards

My reply

> > In Genesis, God says 1000 years is like a day.

Where in Genesis? I know it is in II Peter 3:8.

I think the end of the countdown, be it 40 or 41.66 years, must be a Jewish Leap Year. Why? because there must be 7 Jewish months between the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets, and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21). The years 5768 (2007,2008), 5771 (2010/2011), 5774 (2013/2014), and 5776 (2015/2016) are leap years. The Jewish 5770 (2009, 2010) is not a leap year. Neither is 5771 (2010/2011).

> > June 10th 1967 (the end of the 6 day war) plus 15208 days, brings us to Jan 28th 2009.

If 5768 (2007, 2008) is not the end of the countdown, I think we would have to place the end in 5771 (2010/2011), a leap year. To me, current events seem to indicate that the end will come before that.

Here is some food for thought. The bulge in the southern wall of the temple area is steadily getting worse. Some think it might break in another month. Isa 30:13 says, "Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in A HIGH WALL, WHOSE BREAKING COMETH SUDDENLY AT AN INSTANT." Agape

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