Pro and Con 964

Posted 10-31-02

Incoming email, Re: The Ossuary and the NAME

From: Alan A Trombetta

A lot of excitement has occurred since the ossuary has been revealed but I think there is something even more exciting written upon it.

The NAME of JESUS in a Semitic tongue.

Think about this for a moment. NEVER have we seen the REAL name of Jesus written anywhere! Now we have evidence.

Some think his real name was either Yahshua, Yehshua, Yehoushua, and other variations... but now we can know.

Let's all try to find out what the inscription on the ossuary says in Aramaic? I have written Biblical Archeology but they have not yet responded.

Then when someone posts this information let's blow it up real big for all to see.

Afterward we can officially begin to Proclaim and Praise the (real) Name of the Lord. Hallelu-YAH

My reply

When I was reading every article I could find on the ossuary, one used Yeshua. I don't know which one said that now. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Israel allows scholars to take relic abroad

Looks like it's going out of country for 4 months....
Israel allows scholars to take relic abroad
Inscription on bone box may be first mention of Jesus of Nazareth
Sunday, October 27, 2002 Posted: 5:00 PM EST (2200 GMT)

Scientists say that this box dates from approximately A.D. 63.

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israel said Sunday it has granted a four-month export license for an ancient burial box that may be the oldest archaeological link to Jesus.

The limestone box, or ossuary, bears the inscription "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" in Aramaic.

The ossuary, whose existence was revealed last week, is in the hands of a private Israeli collector and is expected to be exhibited in Toronto, Canada this fall, at a gathering of religious scholars.

The export license was granted before Israeli officials understood the nature of the find, and to examine it they will now have to wait until the ossuary returns to Israel by the end of February.

The Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) will then examine it for up to 90 days and, if deemed authentic, may try to buy it from the collector, Uzi Dahari, an IAA official, told The Associated Press.
Scholars have been divided over the importance of the tool box-sized ossuary.

If it indeed refers to Jesus of Nazareth, it would be one of the greatest archaeological discoveries of our time.

The inscription would fit a New Testament account that Jesus had a brother, James, and the tradition that James was the son of Joseph, husband of Jesus' mother Mary....

The magazine said two scientists from Israel's Geological Survey also examined the ossuary and determined that it was from the first century and that the inscription had not been tampered with....

Scholar Andre Lemaire says the Aramaic inscription reades "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus."

Dahari said Sunday that the collector, who does not want to be named, told him he bought the burial box about 30 years ago from a Jerusalem antiquities dealer.

Last week, Biblical Archaeology Review editor Hershel Shanks told a news conference that the collector bought the box about 15 years ago, and that it had been unearthed south of the Mount of Olives. Dahari had no immediate explanation for the different dates on when the collector bought the ossuary.

Shanks said last week that the owner never realized the ossuary's potential importance until Lemaire examined it last spring.

Dahari said the Israel Antiquities Authority issued the limited export permit three weeks ago, without being aware at the time of what the ossuary might mean for Christians around the world.

The practice of digging up graves about a year after burial and depositing the bones in stone boxes was common in the Holy Land from about 20 B.C. to 70 A.D., and hundreds of ossuaries have been uncovered from that period....

After the ossuary is examined by IAA experts, "we will return it to him (the collector) or will try to buy it in order that it will be in public hands," Dahari said.

Until now, the oldest surviving artifact that mentions Jesus is a fragment of chapter 18 in John's Gospel from a manuscript dated around A.D. 125. It was discovered in Egypt in 1920.

My reply

Thanks. Israel probably doesn't realize the worth of this evidence.

Someone asked what the inscription had for Jesus' name in Aramaic. I ran across Yeshua somewhere, but have no idea where. Agape

His reply

>>Someone asked what the inscription had for Jesus' name in Aramaic. I ran across Yeshua somewhere, but have no idea where.

Alas, I can recognize some Hebrew letters of the alphabet, but do not know any Aramaic letters (assume some most be very close to Hebrew).

Jack Kinsella refers to Yeshua in the transliteration he posted in that Omega Intelligence article you posted... The three names it mentions are as common as Jim, Jack, and John today. The author turned to statistical probability. Of the 40,000 men living in Jerusalem at the time, he figures about 20 people could fit the description "Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui diYeshua" or, "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus."

The 4 Hebrew letters for Yeshua are yod, shin, vav, ayin and are to be read, of course, from right to left.

Here is the enhanced inscription on the ossuary in Aramaic...

looking at the leftmost 4 letters (reading right to left) we can see what looks like it could be a yod, then an unrecognizable letter, then what could be a vav, and lastly an ayin. The third from the left letter could conceivably be the Aramaic character for the Hebrew shin, which is third from the left in the jpg above. Thus I am fairly confident the Aramaic name here is Yeshua.

I love learning about His Name... please think of me with anything you find about His Name... Yinon, etc. BTW, concerning Yinnon/Yinon did you notice in that list you posted some time ago...

> > Here is a keeper: "Tenakh/Hebrew/Old Testament Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus Christ, Messiah"

> >

that beside Ps. 72:17a, it had Psa. 72:17...His name, Yinon, will produce offspring...Jn. 1:12,13

There's some mystery re His Name here we can't crack using our present tools. Agape

My reply

Thanks bunches. You sure are good at finding interesting things.

Psa. 72:17 in the Complete Jewish Bible says, "May his name endure forever, his name, Yinnon, as long as the sun. May people bless themselves in him, may all nations call him happy." Agape

His reply, Re: Jesus' name in Aramaic

>>>You sure are good at finding interesting things.

Marilyn, I chuckled as I read your compliment which I receive wholeheartedly, realizing all the while who is giving it to me. I can use the encouragement!!!

However, let me say that you are AWESOME, without comparison, in unearthing REAL nuggets of insight with your finely honed, God-given ability, seasoned by reason of use. I deeply appreciate the LORD bringing you into my life. Thanks again for everything. To Him, Whose we are and Whom we serve, be all praise and glory and might and dominion and majesty.
Held near His heart

My reply

Thanks for those kind words. I read them to Ed. He said to tell you he appreciated them too and wholeheartedly concurs with what you said about me. He says to tell you that when he was a soldier stationed in the Philippines, he prayed that God would send him a Christian girl to be his wife. We got together about a month after he was discharged. We knew right away that we were meant for each other. He says he has always been amazed at what I have accomplished through my study of the Bible. Agape

"A Prophetically Significant Week?," with my comments interspersed and marked ***

Bill Koenig

10-19-02 This week certainly appears to have been a prophetically significant week with the Bush - Sharon meeting at the White House....

In Isaiah 13:4-6 it discusses the kingdoms of heaven that destroy Babylon [Iraq] (this could likely be the US and some others); it says the destruction of Babylon will be a sign the Day of the Lord is at hand (the final seven years)....

***The 1st day of the 1000-year Day of the Lord is the last day of the shortened Tribulation, the Day of God's Wrath. That is when Babylon will be destroyed.

***Isa. 13:3-13 says, "I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for MINE ANGER, even them that rejoice in my highness. The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people (Gog's army is attacking Israel, Eze. 38); a tumultuous noise of THE KINGDOMS OF NATIONS GATHERED TOGETHER ('I will gather ALL NATIONS [i.e., the UNITED NATIONS] against Jerusalem to battle,' Zech. 14:2)."

***At that time, the Lord will fight for Israel. Zech. 14:3 says, "Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle." This was Joshua's Long Day, which prefigured Jesus/Joshua's Long Day. Jos 10:11 says, "it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN UPON THEM unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword."

***Continuing in Isa, 13: "the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. They come from a far country (Heaven), from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation (the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10), to destroy the whole land. Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come (at 6 PM, on the Feast of Trumpets) as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh (Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets), cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and HE SHALL DESTROY THE SINNERS THEREOF OUT OF IT (THEN IT IS NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION) For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine (this comes as the 6th seal is broken). And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and THE EARTH SHALL REMOVE OUT OF HER PLACE (because of the asteroid impacts), IN THE WRATH OF THE LORD OF HOSTS, AND IN THE DAY OF HIS FIERCE ANGER."

Does the United States Take Part in the Destruction of Babylon?

***Not on the Day of God's Wrath. The Sword of the Lord, the curse, the asteroid that is twice as long as it is wide before it breaks apart (Zech. 5:1-4) will wipe out Babylon without the help of any nation. Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Could the Babylon-destroying army that comes from the far away country, from the end of heaven just before the “day of the Lord” (Isaiah 13:4-6) be the United States?...

***No. Isa 63:3 says, "I (the Lord) have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment." See Rev. 14:17-20.

Many Bible scholars believe the Day of the Lord is the final seven-year tribulation period....

***Elijah must come before the millennial Day of the Lord begins (Mal. 4:5).

Bush and Sharon Meeting

This week President Bush and his top staff had very encouraging meetings with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Sharon left the US very pleased with his meetings pertaining to Iraq, his nation’s security, and Bush’s Middle East Peace time line (the WORLD PEACE CONFERENCE of Fall 2003 is probably designed to be after the war.)

***The Rapture should take place before the peace covenant is agreed on. The world peace conference may be after a war, but not the war that destroys Babylon on the first day of the Millennial Day of the Lord. The Beast and False Prophet may be revealed at that world peace conference.


I believe that President Bush cut a deal with his good friend. He said, Ariel, we will stand by your side in our war with Iraq, and we will stand with you against anyone who comes against you. In return we are going to propose a world peace conference in the Fall of 2003, and we want you to agree to a Palestinian state, the UN Resolutions 242 and 338 (which Sharon has already agreed to to a certain extent) and some other concessions. We will help insure the “peace and security” you are after for Israel, and the world community will deliver it to you through the peace covenant....

***That sounds reasonable.


October 25, 2002,
Wired News reports: "The maker of an implantable human ID chip has launched a national campaign to promote the device, offering $50 discounts to the first 100,000 people who register to get embedded with the microchip.

Applied Digital Solutions has coined the tagline 'Get Chipped' to market its product, VeriChip.

The rice-size device costs $200. Those implanted must also pay for the doctor's injection fee and a monthly $10 database maintenance charge, said ADS spokesman Matthew Cossolotto.

Incoming email, Re: Ossuary believed to be from David's City

this was posted in IFA's weekly e-letter -- most of this you know, but I don't recall seeing the probable origin in east Jerusalem (emphasis mine)...
ARCHEOLOGISTS AUTHENTICATE FIRST CENTURY INSCRIPTION OF JESUS - An archeologist from Paris' Sorbonne University has identified a first century stone inscription which, it is claimed, is the first physical evidence corroborating biblical accounts of Jesus' life. The inscription on the ancient burial box, or ossuary, of Jesus' brother James reads in Aramaic, "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus." The ossuary has been dated to approximately 63 AD, which corresponds to the time when James, the leader Jerusalem's first century Messianic believers, was martyred. The first century Jewish historian Josephus recorded that "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, James by name," was stoned to death as a Jewish heretic in A.D. 62. If his bones were placed in an ossuary that would have occurred the following year, dating the inscription around A.D. 63. Finding ancient inscriptions or documents, which confirm the existence of Jesus has proved almost impossible, outside the established biblical accounts. All Jewish genealogical records were lost when the Temple records were destroyed.

The box, purchased by an anonymous Israeli collector some fifteen years ago for a few hundred dollars, is believed to be from the Silwan neighborhood in east Jerusalem. Historically, the area corresponds to David's City, the most ancient part of the Israeli capital. According to Hershel Shanks, editor in chief of the Biblical Archeological Review, the finding, "confirms the Jewishness of both James and Jesus," and is perhaps, "the most important find in the history of New Testament archaeology." (Excerpted from ICEJ News, 10/22/02, and Biblical Archaeology Review,

My reply

I appreciate your helping me get all the facts about this ossuary. I have no doubt that it is the real thing. The timing of it's coming to light must have been planned by the Lord. Now unbelievers should realize that the New Testament accounts are true. Since they are true, they should accept Yeshua/Jesus, the Redeemer as their own personal Saviour without delay.

When I finally found the article on the ossuary, I copied the exact URL, then went back and looked at the rest of the list. They also have an article on the new bulge in a wall at the Temple mount in their archive. I had seen the picture in Jerry Golden's Report, but hadn't figured out exactly where this 2nd bulge was located.


ICEJ NEWS 10/10/2002 - Another bulge in the Temple Mount wall has been discovered as Jordanian engineers who began tests on a 2-year-old bulge on the southern wall this week, have found a side signs of dampness on a section of the western wall causing it to protrude as well.

The latest swelling of the 2,000-year-old supporting wall is on its western side, to the right of the area where Jewish worshipers visit. The 10-meter bulge is in the archeological garden that abuts the Western Wall prayer area.

The area of the wall in question was visibly damp, even after Israel's long, dry summer. Informed sources say that the bulge, which looks like the one on the southern wall did two years ago, is likely the result of water dripping inside of the wall....
And the Wailing Wall is still weeping. Well, well. Someone may be trying to make the walls give way so they can blame Israel for it. However, the Lord might use it to get the temple built. All it would take is an earthquake, and there have been earthquakes in that area already. Hilton refused to build a hotel on the Mount of Olives, because an earthquake fault runs through there.

Zech. 14:4,5 says, "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee." Agape

Incoming email

Re: Crucifixion date
Here's another possibility that I have received for the crucifixion/birth date.

It was discovered in the Bible Code the birth date of Jesus was September 11. I have has the birth date September 21/22 on the 365.25/day calendar and September 10/ll on the 360/day calendar. The crucifixion date is March 14 in the year 4214 on the 365.25/day calendar and September 11, 4275.5 on the 360/day calendar. How's that for a possibility!??? Believe me it all adds up. By the way, the crucifixion was 31 ad as we would calculate. Our calendar count starts on the 365.25/day in the year 4183 and on the 360/day 4244. The current year is 2002,+ 1 yr. 136 days we have to add in for leap years. That puts us currently at 2004 + 7 days = 6187 March 9 on our calendar and 6275.9 (370 days)- Jan. 8 on the 360/day calendar.

Our December 29 will actually equal May 14 on the 365.25/day and March 14 on the 360. Our Jan 1 date will equal May 17, 2004 on 365.25/day and March 17, on the 360/day. March 14 = crucifixion/passover (the exodus was in the year 2520 from Adam) May 14 was the actual day they arrived Mt. Sinai, and May 17 was the date God had Moses gather the people for when God came down on the mountain.. March 17 is the date for the resurrection.

The tribulation will end in the year 6194 on the 365.25/day and 6283 on the 360/day - sometime in the spring. Mid-trib. will occur in September.

Thank you for letting me share.

My reply

> > The tribulation will end in the year 6194 on the 365.25/day and 6283 on the 360/day - sometime in the spring.

I am of the opinion that the shortened Tribulation will end on Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007), the Feast of Trumpets, before the autumn equinox on Sept. 21, 22 or 23.

The spring equinox is about Mar. 21. The equinox's are when day and night are equal, the 2 points when the celestial equator crosses the ecliptic, the path where the Sun, Moon and planets travel.

The Day of God's Wrath will cut short the last half of the 7-year Tribulation. That day of destruction will take place on a feast day.

Mal. 2:2,3 says, "now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6), I will even send a 'CURSE' (Zech. 5:1-3 shows us that the asteroid that is twice as long as it is wide is 'THE CURSE') upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of YOUR SOLEMN FEASTS; AND ONE (FEAST OF TRUMPETS) SHALL TAKE YOU AWAY WITH IT." It is the Feast of Trumpets (Joel 2:1-3), the day the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth.

> > It was discovered in the Bible Code the birth date of Jesus was September 11.

That is possible. I think he was born on Tishri 1 in BC 5. Maybe the wise men visited him on Sept. 11 two years later. By that time, he was living in a house, and Herod had the male children killed in Bethlehem 2 years old and under. Herod could have died shortly after the Jan. 10, BC 1 lunar eclipse.

There are so many letters in the Old Testament that I don't trust dates to be correct. If they were correct, the Rapture would have taken place on Pentecost in 1948. I have 2 matrixes that show that, and it did not take place that year.

> > The crucifixion date is March 14 in the year 4214 on the 365.25/day calendar and September 11, 4275.5 on the 360/day calendar. How's that for a possibility!???

To me, it seems impossible. Christ is our Passover. I Cor. 5:7 says, "Christ our passover is sacrificed for us." That falls on Nisan 14. I think Jesus was killed as the Passover lambs were being killed on Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD.

John 19:14-16 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour (Roman time, our 9 AM): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified."

Mark 14:2 says, "NOT ON THE FEAST DAY." Mark 14:12 shows that it was the "proto," prior day, "WHEN THEY KILLED THE PASSOVER." They killed the Passover lambs on the Preparation of the Passover. They had to be roasted and eaten between 6 PM and midnight after Passover began at 6 PM.

John 18:28 says, "They...went not into the judgment hall...that they might eat the passover."

The Passover was on Friday. The Feast of Unleavened Bread started on Saturday. The Feast of Firstfruits was on Sunday. The Jews had to have abib barley, barley in the ear, on the Feast of Firstfruits. I can't see abib barley being found on March 14.

> > The crucifixion date is March 14 in the year 4214 on the 365.25/day calendar and September 11, 4275.5 on the 360/day calendar.

Thanks for giving me a good reason not to figure everything by a 360-day calendar. To have the Passover in September is impossible. Lev 23:5 says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month (Nisan) at even is the LORD'S passover."

> > the crucifixion was 31 ad

I think it was in 30 AD. Eze. 4:6 says, "when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah FORTY DAYS: I have appointed thee EACH DAY FOR A YEAR." Those 40 years run from the Crucifixion in 30 AD to 70 AD, when the Temple was burned.

> > the exodus was in the year 2520 from Adam

I figured it at 2513 AH (BC 1530), but very close to what you figured.

> > March 17 is the date for the resurrection.

I figured it as Nisan 16, 3790, Sunday, April 9, 30 AD. Agape
From my Bible Chronology file:
130 AH = 3913 BC Seth born when Adam was 130 years old (Genesis 5:3)
235 AH = 3808 BC Enos born when Seth was 105 (Gen 5:6)
282 AH = 3762/61 BC = -1 Jewish
283 AH = 3761/60 BC = +1 Jewish, Jewish calendar began Oct 7, 3761 BC
325 AH Cainan born when Enos was 90 (Gen 5:9)
395 AH Mahalaleel born when Cainan was 70 (Gen 5:12)
460 AH Jared born when Mahalaleel was 65 (Gen 5:15)
622 AH = 3421 BC Enoch born when Jared was 162 (Gen 5:18)
DOUBLE CHECK: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam" (Jude 14). None are left out. None can be added.
687 AH = 3356 BC Methuselah born when Enoch was 65 (Gen 5:21)
874 AH Lamech born when Methuselah was 187 (Gen 5:25)
930 AH = 3113 BC Adam died when 930 (Gen 5:5). (He would have passed on the information the Lord gave him to Lamech, who would have passed it on to Noah.)
1040 AH = 3003 BC. Beginning of second 1000-year Day
1056 AH = 2987 BC Noah born when Lamech was 182 (Gen 5:28)
1558 AH Shem born (Gen 11:10). (Noah born 1056 AH. He was 600 when flood began. Flood was in 1656 AH. Shem was 100 two yrs after Flood, so was 98 when Flood began. Therefore, he was born 1558 AH when Noah was 502)
1651 AH Lamech died at 777 (Gen 5:31), 5 yrs before the Flood
1656 AH = 2387 BC The Flood after Methuselah died at 969 (Gen 7:27), when Noah was 600 (Gen 7:6).
Beginning of the 427-year Dispensation of Human Government
DOUBLE CHECK:Methuselah lived 969 years and then the Flood came, Genesis 5:27. (687 AH + 969 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Noah was 600 yrs old when the Flood came, Gen 7:6. (1056 AH + 600 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Adam lived 930 yrs. Methuselah lived 969 yrs. Their lives overlapped 243 yrs. (930 + 969 = 1899 - 1656 to Flood = 243, making any changes difficult)

Post-diluvian Patriarchs

1658 AH Arphaxad born to Shem 2 years after the Flood when Shem was 100 (Gen 11:10)
DOUBLE CHECK: Shem was 100. (1558 AH + 100 = 1658)
1693 AH Salah born when Arphaxad was 35 (Gen 11:12)
1723 AH Eber born when Salah was 30 (Gen 11:14)
1757 AH = 2286 BC Peleg born when Eber was 34 (Gen 11:16)
1787 AH Reu born when Peleg was 30 (Gen 11:18)
1819 AH Serug born when Reu was 32 (Gen 11:20)
1849 AH Nahor born when Serug was 30 (Gen 11:22)
1878 AH = 2165 BC Terah born when Nahor was 29 (Gen 11:24)
1996 AH = 2047 BC Peleg died when 239 (Gen 11:18,19). "in his days was the earth divided," the continents split apart.

Hebrew Patriarchs

2008 AH = 2035 BC Abram born when Terah was 130 (Gen 11:26-32; Gen 12:4; Acts 7:4).
DOUBLE CHECK: Terah was born in 1878 AH and lived to be 205. At his death, Abram left Haran, so he died in 2083 AH when Abram was 75. AH 2083 - 75 = 2008 AH, when Abram was born when Terah was 130. AH 2008 - 130 = 1878 AH, when Terah was born. Dr. Arnold D. Ehlert, head of BIOLA library when I began my studies in earnest, in his "Syllabus of Bible Chronology," said, "Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 A.H. as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher."

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