Pro and Con 965

Posted 11-3-02

Incoming email, Re: Ancient burial box that may be oldest link to Jesus seriously damaged on the way to Canada

By MERITA D. ILO, AP Writer 11-1-02 TORONTO - A limestone burial box that may be the oldest archaeological link to Jesus was badly damaged in transit from Israel to Canada, Royal Ontario Museum officials said Friday.

Dan Rahimi, the museum's director of collections management, said in a telephone interview the box ó called an ossuary ó had wide cracks but remained whole.

"The box was badly damaged, but still intact. It has not broken," Rahimi said. "It's very serious damage, but not unusual for a limestone box of this age."

Casket Linked to Jesus Damaged on Way to Toronto

By Lesley Wroughton 11-1-02

...One of the cracks runs through the latter part of the inscription "James, Son of Joseph, Brother of Jesus," he said. The inscription is in Aramaic, a language used some 2,000 years ago.

Rahimi, an archeologist who has worked in the Middle East, believes the cracks can be treated in a museum's conservation lab and would not diminish its overall importance.

The ossuary is valued at about $2 million, he said.

Incoming email

Here is a picture of the ossuary with a translation of the inscription:

I found it from a link from this story: (Click on 'Graphic - Burial Box' to right of page.)

Stone Box May Be Oldest Link to Jesus
Scholar Believes 60 A.D. Relic Authentic, By Guy Gugliotta
Washington Post - 10-22-02
The box, an ossuary used at the time of Jesus to hold bones of the deceased that dates to about 60 A.D., has almost no ornamentation except for a simple Aramaic inscription: Ya 'a kov bar Yosef a khui Yeshua -- "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus."...

Incoming mail, Re: ossuary name of Yeshua

It is in the article I sent you, blown up in its original Aramaic script. There is also a discussion of the characters used to incise it into the box, both in english equivalent of Aramaic as well as character by character translation of the name into Hebrew characters. Should put any doubt to rest exactly what the Name was, and how it was spelled and pronounced.

My reply

Thanks much. The articles in the Biblical Archaeology Review were very interesting. I can't reproduce the script on page 28, but the transliteration is "Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui diYeshua."

It says, "'Jesus' can be written 'Yeshua' ..., as it is here, or 'Yeshu' ... or 'Yehoshua' ...."....

"The classical shape of the letters of the inscription also fits this approximate date (20 BCE [BC] to 70 CE [AD]). None of these letters displays the developments typical of the following period. Moreover, the cursive shape of three of the letters (salet, yod and aleph) indicates an even narrower span of time: the last decades before the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E.--the exact period when James, the brother of Jesus, would have died."...

"The first-century Jewish historian Josephus dates James' death to 62 C.E. when the high priest Ananus had 'one James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ/Messiah' brought before the Sanhedrin."...

The Ultimate Test of Authenticity

..."Before publishing the inscription, we showed it to Father Joseph Fitzmyer , formerly of the Catholic University of America and one of the world's leading experts in first-century Aramaic and a pre-eminate Dead Sea Scroll editor (he edited a number of the Aramaic texts among the scrolls). Father Fitzmyer was troubled by the spelling in the James inscription of the word for 'brother;' it is spelled aleph, bet, waw and yod. In Hebrew it is spelled simply aleph bet. Only after hundreds of years would the spelling on the James inscription appear in Aramaic, and then it would be plural, not singular.

"However, after doing some research, Father Fitzmyer found the same spelling of 'brother' in the Dead Sea Scroll known as the Genesis Apocryphon. In addition, he found another example in which the same form appeared--in an ossuary inscription in which the deceased was identified as someone's brother, just as James is here. 'I stand corrected.' said Father Fitzmyer.

'Either a putative forger had to know first-century Aramaic better than Father Fitzmyer or the inscription is authentic."

My comment

I think it is authentic and will stick with Yeshua as the spelling of our Saviour's name.

Incoming email. P/C 960 & 961

I pray you and Ed are doing well!! Was getting concerned watching for new Pro/Con's on your Prophecy Corner site. The last one on it is 959. Finally thought I should check the mirror site and there were 960 and 961. Was so glad to see them, because then I know you should be ok. Is the Prophecy Corner site ok?

Thank you for your faithfulness! And, for sending the books out to my friend. She is reading them now and her first comment is WOW!! Agape

My reply

Thanks for your prayers. Physically, we are as well as can be expected. Ed's 1st cataract surgery is scheduled mid-November. Please pray that it goes well. Financially, it's a different story, especially facing property taxes and auto license renewal in December. I thought that maybe the Rapture would take place before those came due again.

It seems like everything is getting ready for the Tribulation to start. We surely don't have much longer. Whatever, I can be patient. God is in complete control, and I wouldn't change a thing in his plan, even if I could. He knows all and is bringing his prophecies to pass right on time.

The site is updated now. Those who furnish that site for me free, so I can have everything on there, changed to a different server. Until I got the new host setting, the password wouldn't work.

Thanks for ordering the books for your friend and telling me what she said. A "WOW!!" makes me wonder what part she was reading at that time. :-) Agape

Incoming email

From: Jim Bramlett
Absolutely amazing story, 10-29-02

In case anyone knew about Stacy and prayed for her, I want to send along this absolutely amazing report that I just received. Jim
From: 10-29-02
Update: The girl Stacy,..and her message to us.

Dear Friends and Family, and all who have been praying for Stacy, (the young lady with cancer):

Stacy died. Actually she died twice, but returned for a short time to give everyone a message.

This is very difficult for me to write.. but those who have been faithful to pray for her should hear this.

All her monitors flat-lined for a few minutes, but then she woke up and said she had seen a brilliant light.

Then all the monitors went flat for another 7 minutes. The doctors said this time there was no coming back, and if she did, her brain would be completely disfunctional.

But she did come back, and her brain seemed quite clear for another twenty minutes. She told her loved ones she had seen Jesus, and that God had been holding her in His very own arms, but that He ressurected her to come back to tell everyone these things.

She said she felt very uncomfortable, and everyone shifted her pillows until she felt better. She said it was very important to her that everyone will not be sad. "God wants me to come home now. Please don't be sad for me. I've been comforted in His arms, and want to be there again."

Stacy fell back into a coma. Six hours later her eyes opened wide, and rolled back into her head. She was gone.

Thank you for your prayers.


The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: >and merciful men are taken away, >none considering that >the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. Isaiah 57:1 ><><;;;;;;;><>
"I will come again, and receive you unto myself; >that where I am, there ye may be also." Jesus Christ @--}----

Incoming email, Re: Noah entered on Cheshvan 17?

> > Since the Sacred Calendar wasn't started until the Exodus, I feel certain that the second month to Noah >was what is now called Cheshvan or Heshvan. Noah would have known how to count years when he was told that man was given another 120 years (Gen. 6:3). He would have known how to count months too (Gen. 7). Since those were not Sacred Calendar years and months, I think they were Civil Calendar years and months.

Yes, but the whole CONCEPT of a civil calendar came YEARS after the sacred calendar and is not biblical. It is a calendar devised by the rabbis. So why would we think Noah would use that calendar?

My reply

I think the word "Civil" is tripping you up, because you associate it with the Jewish Calendar used now. Let's call the year count that started with Adam AH (Anno Hominai, Year of Man).


Heaven, Earth and water were already present (Gen. 1:1,2)
(1) = Sunday - light
(2) = Monday - the firmament (expanse of space between upper and lower waters)
(3) = Tuesday - "Seas," gathered into "one place" (i.e., Pacific Basin) so dry land and plant life could appear
(4) = Wednesday - Sun, Moon and stars became visible - "for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years"
(5) = Thursday - water and air animal life created
(6) = Friday - land animal life, Adam and Eve created
(7) = Saturday - Creation finished, God rested

Tishri 1, 1 AH, Saturday, New Year's Day from which AH years are to be counted, using Sun, Moon and stars "for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years"

130 AH - when Adam was 130 years old, Seth was born (Gen. 5:3)
235 AH - when Seth was 105, Enos was born (Gen. 5:6)
325 AH - Cainan born when Enos was 90 (Gen 5:9)
395 AH - Mahalaleel born when Cainan was 70 (Gen 5:12)
460 AH - Jared born when Mahalaleel was 65 (Gen 5:15)
622 AH - Enoch born when Jared was 162 (Gen 5:18)
687 AH - Methuselah born when Enoch was 65 (Gen 5:21)
874 AH - Lamech born when Methuselah was 187 (Gen 5:25)
930 AH - Adam died when 930 (Gen 5:5). (Adam would have passed on the information the Lord gave him to Lamech, who would have passed it on to Noah.)

Enoch knew what "ten thousand meant." Jude 1:14 says, "Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints."

The Flood came in 1656 AH. Noah obviously understood how to count days, months and years. In Gen. 6:3, the LORD spoke directly to Noah. He said, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." Noah didn't ask what years were. In Gen. 7:4, the Lord told Noah, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth."

The Lord taught Adam well. Adam passed that knowledge down to the other patriarchs, one very good reason for his long life.

I have no doubts that the calendar was kept from the first Tishri 1. There was warm weather when Adam and Eve were created. They didn't need clothing to keep warm. That fits Tishri 1. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Noah entered on Cheshvan 17?

As far as I know, Cheshvan being the "second month" is a rabbinic thing. The rabbis created the civil calendar years after the sacred calendar. The civil calendar starts in September/October (Nisan), which would make Cheshvan the second month on the *civil* calendar only.

I may be wrong here... but do you have evidence that the biblical calendar used to start in Nisan?

My reply

> > civil calendar starts in September/October (Nisan), which would make Cheshvan the second month on the *civil* calendar only. > > I may be wrong here... but do you have evidence that the biblical calendar used to start in Nisan?

I think you meant Tishri above instead of Nisan, a spring month when there must be barley in the ear by the Feast of Firstfruits.

The Jewish writings place the creation of Adam on Tishri 1. I think it was on Elul 29, the Eve of Tishri 1, that would later become the Feast of Trumpets. Eve (the bride) was taken out of Adam's side just before the new kosmos, orderly arrangement of things, began to operate as it does now. The years began to be recorded on Tishri 1.

Noah knew the months before the time of the Exodus, when the Sacred Calendar began. Gen 7:11 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the SECOND MONTH, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

Who would have taught Noah about the Civil Calendar? Lamech, his father. Who could have taught Lamech about the Civil Calendar? Adam. Lamech was born in 874 AD. Adam did not die until 930 AH. They were contemporaries 56 years.

Adam was taught by the Lord. In Gen. 1:14, "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for SEASONS, and for DAYS, and YEARS." The seasons, days and years were established then. They started to be counted on the day God rested.

The seasons were marked. Therefore, the Spring Equinox (our Mar. 21), the Summer Solstice (our June 21), the Autumn Equinox (our Sept. 23), and the Winter Solstice (our Dec. 21) were marked on the calendar.

For man to know when the new season was to begin, he must have been given 12 months and the way to tell when a new month would begin. The Hebrew word for month is chodesh. Unless a day number is mentioned, chodesh indicates the 1st of the month, because chodesh also means new moon, which is the 1st of the month. Thus the Moon regulated the months, and the Sun regulated the days and years right from man's beginning.

This kosmos had been operating only 1656 years when Noah's Flood began. Noah was just the 10th generation (Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech and Noah).

Josephus told us that Seth and Enoch drew the original mazzaroth, or zodiac. It marked off the 12 months with 12 pictorial signs. As the Sun moved through those 12 signs, the months and years were easy to keep track of. The zodiac told the story of Christ the Redeemer, so they were often reminded of it. The year began with Virgo (the virgin birth of a child, the seed of the woman). It ended with Leo (the Lion, i.e., of the tribe of Judah, being king).

In Ant. I. III. 3, Josephus said, "Now this Seth, when he was brought up, and came to those years in which he could discern what was good, became a virtuous man; and as he was himself of an excellent character, so did he leave children behind him who imitated his virtues. All these proved to be of good dispositions. They also inhabited the same country without dissensions, and in a happy condition, without any misfortunes fall upon them, till they died.

"They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars; the one of brick, the other of stone: THEY INSCRIBED THEIR DISCOVERIES ON THEM BOTH, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad to this day."

Both Adam and Enoch were prophets. The first Adam was a type of the Second Adam, which is Christ. Jude 1:14 says, "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints." Since Enoch was a prophet, and Seth was taught by Adam, they both knew the gospel story, and could draw the zodiac that tells that story.

We can tell that the patriarchs were taught lots more than some might think. Adam was given language skills right away. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to name the beasts. He seems to have been given written language too, for how else could he remember all those new animal names? and inscribe the pillars? The Bible information is sketchy, but we are told enough to be able to fill in the gaps. Otherwise, the Bible would have been too large to be carried around easily.

Cain and Abel knew enough to offer sacrifices to the Lord. Noah knew which were clean beasts without being told. That was before the Exodus. Gen. 7:2 says, "Of every CLEAN BEAST thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of BEASTS THAT ARE NOT CLEAN by two, the male and his female." After Noah came out of the Ark, he built an altar and sacrificed to the Lord.

The first month became Nisan (also called Abib) at the Exodus. Ex. 12:2 says, "This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you." Moses did not have to be told the other months of the year. He already knew the Civil Calendar. Tishri had been the first month in the Civil Year. From the Exodus on, Nisan became the first month of the Sacred Year. This made the festal calendar easy to figure. The 1st feast came in the 1st month, the 7th feast came in the 7th month.

The counting of years continued as before, using the same Civil Year that had been kept since Adam's day.

Ex. 13:4 says, "This day came ye out in the MONTH ABIB." Ex. 23:15 says, "Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened the time appointed of the MONTH ABIB." Est 3:7 says, "In the FIRST MONTH , that is, the MONTH NISAN, in the twelfth year of king Ahasuerus, they cast Pur, that is, the lot."
Ex. 40:2 says, "On the first day of the FIRST MONTH (NISAN 1) shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation." That seems to be because the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3). Thus the Regnal Year also starts on Nisan 1.

For whatever reason, I don't know, but the Rabbis started the Present Jewish Calender with BC 3761. Agape

Unveiled - Blueprint For The United States Of Europe

By Stephen Castle in Brussels, The Independent - UK --10-29-2
The blueprint for a new constitution for Europe, unveiled yesterday, paves the way for sweeping changes to the EU but provoked instant British opposition by suggesting the bloc could be renamed "United States of Europe".

Incoming email, Re: Anstey' Book

I note with interest your information on Martin Anstey's book on Bible Chronology. I would be grateful to know if you could help me to acquire the whole book. I am particularly interested in getting the part which has the Charts/tables....I look forward to hearing from you.

My reply

I don't know how to get Martin Anstey's "Romance of Bible Chronology." The one I used was a Reserve Book in the BIOLA, La Mirada Campus, library. It was published in London by Marshall Brothers in 1913. All of the text is in the first volume. The chart is in the second. Maybe someone will know where to get it, and let us know. Surely someone would reprint it or put it on the Internet for students of Bible Chronology.

I searched BIOLA's library several different time for books on Bible Chronology. Anstey's stood head and shoulders over any other I found. Here's an easy way to check people's early Bible chronology. Noah's Flood is 1656 AH. Noah was born 1056 AH, and he was 600 at the beginning of the Flood.

I had the good luck to be able to use Dr. Arnold D. Ehlert's "Syllabus of Bible Chronology" (unpublished ms. 1946). He was head Librarian when I studied at BIOLA's library. He bound his syllabus like a thesis and put it on the shelf for students to use.

Quoted from my notes, besides telling how to solve some Gordian knots in Bible Chronology, Dr. Ehlert said,

"Henry Fines Clinton (...1824) was perhaps the ablest, soundest and most complete and satisfactory of all our modern chronologers up to Anstey."

"Martin Anstey..., The Romance of Bible Chronology (1913), is considered the standard chronology of today by many."

William Ethelbert Bullinger's Companion Bible (1910) is significant."

Shem was 100 years old 2 years after the flood, so he was 98 when the flood began. Therefore, he was born 1558 AH when Noah was 502.

Terah was born in 1878 AH and lived to be 205. At his death, Abram left Haran. Terah died in 2083 AH. Abram was 75. 2083 AH - 75 = 2008, Abram's birth when Terah was 130. 2008 - 130 = 1878 AH, date of Terah's birth.

"Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 AH as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher."

"The result arrived at is characterized by the accuracy and certainty of an exact science. It cannot be one year more. It cannot be one year less. This is so mathematically exact and so absolutely certain, that since Ussher proved that Terah was 130 when Abram was born, no chronologer, who accepts the text of the Old Testament, has ever made the period covered by the Book of Genesis from the Creation of Adam to the death of Joseph anything else but 2369 years. The only exception is R.G. Faussett, who supposes that Abraham left Haran, not as Scripture says, when his father Terah died, but after an interval of two years."

"Panin agrees with Anstey on all dates up to birth of Moses. He dates the 430 year from Abraham's second covenant and gets 2457 AH instead of 2433 AH for birth of Moses." Agape

Incoming email, Re: Noah and Abraham

just a note on your "letter" today.... you state: Abraham, from whom the Israelites were descended, was born 2 years after Noah died. I graphed out the "begats" in Genesis 5 and I came to the conclusion that Noah and Abraham overlapped by 57 years.... \

I also thought that Abraham could have (theoretically) talked directly to Noah who talked to Methuselah, who talked to Adam.. (for Methuselah and Adam overlapped also)..... Noah was alive for 10 generations of son's and daughters.. Abraham and Sarah being the 10th generation....

I believe you and your statements about the two calendars of Israel....and I enjoy your letters which I find has great wisdom... I did not want to distract from your letter to the "Doves" which I thought was good....In His Love

My reply

Noah was born 1056 AH. He lived 950 years (Gen. 10:29) and died in 2006 AH (1056 + 950 = 2006). Abram was born 2008 AH.

I will copy below another incoming e-mail and my answer, since it pertains to Bible Chronology. After that, I will copy for you some of my Bible Chronology. Hope this helps.
(Both omitted, the 1st is above, the 2nd on P and C 964.)

Incoming email, Re: Noah entered on Cheshvan 17?

Noticed on your web site that you said Noah entered the ark on Cheshvan 17?

Can you tell me what chapter/verse says that? I've been unable to locate that. Thanks

My reply

Gen 7:11 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." Since this was before the Sacred Year started at the Exodus, it seems that the second month would be Cheshvan. Agape

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Re: Check out Book--Who Will Be Left Behind and When?--review... Click here: Book--Who Will Be Left Behind and When?--review and strongly recommended

Marilyn, I was surprised to see this. I always thought that Tim Lahaye was a pre-trib person. Anyway have you seen this or read it?

My reply

> > Messiah Catches Away Believers, by Roy A Reinhold
> > reveal two significant events that are prophesied to take place before the coming of the Lord and the rapture, and before the Day of the Lord begins. These two events are (1) an apostasy or falling away from the faith by a large number of Christians,

The word apostasia in II Thess. 2:3 means "departing." Paul was talking about "our gathering together unto him (Jesus)." That is the Rapture. The World English Bible (WEB) tells us, "Let no one deceive you in any way. For it (the Day of the Lord, the Millennium) will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed (second), the son of destruction."

> > and (2) the revealing of the antichrist in the exact middle of the end-times 7 year period

I think the two leaders who will be the Beast (Rev. 13:2-10) and False Prophet (Rev. 13:11-18) will be revealed when they sign the strengthened peace covenant. Dan. 9:27 (NAB) says, "For one week (of years) he (the False Prophet) shall make a firm (strengthened) compact (covenant) with the MANY (probably the UN and the Tribulation Pope); Half the week (the last half, the Great Tribulation) he shall abolish sacrifice and oblation; On the temple wing shall be the horrible abomination (the image of the Beast, Rev. 13:14) until the ruin that is decreed is poured out upon the horror."

> > ...The abomination of desolation is when the antichrist states to all the world, at the soon to be rebuilt Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, that he is God and performs deceiving attesting miracles to buttress his claim.

Dan 11:31 says, "arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination (image) that maketh desolate."

Rev 13:14,15 says, "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

The abomination of desolation is "the image of the beast." Agape

Incoming email, Re: A Jew defends evangelical Christians

From: Jim Bramlett, 10-23-02
Outstanding article at:

Incoming email, Re: Scripture info. needed

Can you give me some scriptures as to why we should support Israel...I've tried my bible search, yet have came up with little. I need these to send to a friend.thx

My reply

Psa 122:6 "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: THEY SHALL PROPER THAT LOVE THEE. " I think the USA has been a good example. Agape

My reply to a post on the 5 Doves site

Jackson (31 Oct 2002)
"Snares on Day of Rapture"

> > If Jesus is inferring that the time frame will be the same as in Lotís day, then we can look for angels at noon and the sudden destruction the following morning between the breaking of dawn and the rising of the sun.

The order of events on the day of sudden destruction, Day of God's Wrath, will be first, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, then the sudden destruction at noon.

As it was in the day of Lot refers to the Pre-Wrath Rapture, not the Pre-Trib Rapture. At the former, only rain falls. Luke 17:29 says, "the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

There are two trumps of God. The first trump sounds at the Pre-Trib Rapture (I Thess. 4:16). The last trump sounds at the last Rapture (I Cor. 15:51,52).

The last Rapture is in the night or morning before fire and brimstone will fall from heaven AT NOON. Zeph 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (i.e., raptured) in the day of the LORD'S anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod AT THE NOONDAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast."

The asteroid will impact the Mediterranean Sea at noon. Rev. 8:8,9 says, "the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed." Agape

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