Pro and Con 966

Posted 9-6-02

Works of Josephus, Jubilees, Book of Enoch, etc.

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New picture of Saturn taken from Cassini a robot spacecraft.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap021104.html

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That's a good picture. It shows the golden glow of the planet nicely. It was taken from space. Below is a ground-based shot that shows the rings outlined with green. Rev. 4:3 says, "he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald." The emerald is Judah's stone in the breastplate, just as the jasper and sardine stones are the first and last in the breastplate. These picture Christ as the Lion of the tribe of Judah and as the first and last (YHVH "king of Israel") and (YHVH "lord of hosts" (Isa. 44:6).

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Ancient Blue Dye Rediscovered in Israel
http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/news.asp

Some three thousand five hundred years ago, Moses gave instructions for the making of “tekhelet” (blue dye) that was to be used in the veil that covered the Holy of holies and in the ribbons along the edges of the tallit – the Jewish prayer shawl. Extracting blue and purple dyes from a snail that grew in the Mediterranean became an important industry for centuries. However, with the Islamic invasion of the Holy Land in the seventh century, the industry disappeared. For the past 14 centuries the formula has evaded Jewish scholars. Thus, until recently, Jewish prayer shawls have sported black ribbons.

However, in 1984, Irving Ziderman, a biochemist at the Israel Fiber Institute in Jerusalem, was able to identify the source of the ancient dye. After years of research, trial and error, he perfected the process, using the mucus of the “banded dye murex,” a spiny shellfish once thought to be extinct.

The Talmud (Menahot 44a) says that once every 70 years the shores of the land of Israel are visited by the segulit snail from which the tekhelet, used to mark certain religious items, was made.

The Jerusalem Post (November 10,1990) reported that these snails had begun to surface by the thousands along the Mediterranean coast. Some Orthodox Jews believe the reappearance of the snails are a sign of the approaching of the Messianic Age. Today, you can find Jews praying at the Western Wall, wearing prayer shawls with beautiful blue ribbons.

"Brother of Jesus" bone-box plot thickens"

From WorldNetDaily's site... you will find this shortly if you haven't already seen it...
http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ArticlePage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1599&enZone=Culture&enVersion=0&
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By Ellis Shuman 11-5-02

An ancient burial box, thought to belong to James, the brother of Jesus, was cracked during shipment; experts say the inscription on it is a fraud.

Scholars claim ancient box provides archaeological proof of Jesus' life...

Meanwhile, Israeli scholars insist that the inscription on the box is a fraud....

When granting an export license, officials at the Israel Antiquity Authority received a promise from the ossuary's owner that it would be returned to Israel after four months so that they could continue to study the box in attempts to date it....

Shortly after the Biblical Archaeology Review announced its finding, Tel Aviv police summoned Golan for questioning. Investigators at the Antiquities Authority claim that Golan acquired the box illegally. According to Israel's Antiquities Law, an artifact that "was discovered or found in Israel" after 1978, when the law was enacted, is "state property."...

Scholars insist: inscription is a fraud

Israel Insider posted exclusively on October 29 the report of an expert of ancient scripts and writing systems who claimed that while the burial box appeared to be genuine, as was the first part of the inscription, the second half of the inscription, "brother of Jesus," was a "poorly executed fake" and a later addition.

Rochelle I. Altman, co-coordinator of IOUDAIOS-L, a virtual community of scholars engaged in on-line discussion of Judaism in the Greco-Roman world, says that people are taking Sorbonne University paleographer Andre Lemaire's word too quickly when he stated "that the inscription is incised."

Both Altman and noted paleographer Ada Yardeni have concluded that the second part of the inscription was added later. "There are two hands; two different scripts; two different social strata, two different levels of execution, two different levels of literacy, and two different carvers," Altman says....

"The reason the police are onto Golan is that there are two such ossuaries, both already known and photographed in a book on the ossuaries in collections in Israel published in 1996. This one was not bought at an antique dealer in the 1960s, but at an auction, from a museum, in the 1980s," Altman says.

Ossuary was genuine, inscription was faked

By Rochelle I. Altman 10-29-02 http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ArticlePage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1599&enZone=Culture&enVersion=0

...The bone-box is original; the first inscription, which is in Aramaic, "Jacob son of Joseph," is authentic. The second half of the inscription, "brother of Jesus," is a poorly executed fake and a later addition....

Final Report on the James Ossuary

By Rochelle I. Altman 11-6-02 http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1601&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

...The wedges also indicate that Jacob ben Josef lived and died during the age of Herod....

Part two, Brother of Yeshua, could not be more different. The script is a poorly executed mostly *commercial* cursive without any sign of wedges....

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Scholars claim ancient box provides archaeological proof of Jesus' life By Debbie Berman October 25, 2002
http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ArticlePage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1563&enZone=Culture&enVersion=0&

...The Geological Survey of Israel conducted electron-microscope tests on the box that proved the inscription was not added at a later date; no traces of modern elements were found....

Ownership battle brews over Jesus-era burial box

By Sara Leibovich-Dar
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=226519&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0

When the editors of the American magazine Biblical Archeology Review announced the sensational news about the discovery of an ossuary (burial box) thought to contain the bones of Jesus' brother James, they did not say who owned the small limestone box....

Several hours before the magazine's news conference on October 21, the owner of the ossuary, a Tel Aviv engineer named Oded Golan, was summoned for questioning by Tel Aviv police. Investigators at the Antiquities Authority suspect that Golan illegally acquired this artifact, which actually belongs to the state.

According to the Antiquites Law, an artifact that "was discovered or found in Israel" after 1978 - when the law was enacted, is "state property."...

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Discovered: The Tomb of Caiaphas
http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/news.asp

In 1990, a road construction crew was working on the road that runs through the Gehenna Valley, along the south side of the old walled city of Jerusalem, when they accidentally broke into an ancient burial cave. They immediately called for Israel’s Department of Antiquities to send an archeologist to inspect their find.

Upon exploring the burial chambers, they found twelve stone boxes (ossuaries) full of bones! They were decorated with various floral designs and rosettes that clearly dated them back to the first century. To their surprise and delight, they recognized the name on one ossuary. It read “Joseph, son of Caiaphas!” Furthermore, the bones were estimated to be that of a man around 60 years old.

The first-century Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, wrote about the man whose bones were identified as Joseph, son of Caiaphas, calling him the high priest: “Joseph, who was called Caiaphas of the high priesthood.”

He filled the office of high priest (A.D. 18-36) during the ministry of Jesus and was the very man who plotted the betrayal and execution of our Savior. It was Caiaphas who once said, “… it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not” (John 11:50). Caiaphas was the man who presided over the Sanhedrin court at the trial of Jesus, then turned Him over to the Romans.

To this day, Caiaphas is still dead, but Jesus is alive!

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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29499
Expert: Iran ripe for revolution
'This theocratic regime is in shambles, coming to the end of its rope' By Art Moore 11-4-02 - Millions of ordinary citizens in an "axis of evil" nation want the U.S. to bring about a regime change in their land, according to a Middle East expert.

Santorini arms ship completed three smuggling trips before Israel intercepted it

Mitchell Ginsburg 11-18-02
http://www.jrep.com/Reporter/Article-0.html

Prior to its capture by the Israel Navy, the Santorini -- one of two arms-smuggling vessels stopped by Israel since the start of the intifada -- made three successful trips from Lebanon to the Gaza and the Sinai coast, The Jerusalem Report has learned. Only on its fourth mission, in May 2001, was the Santorini, loaded with Katyusha rockets, anti-tank missiles, mortars, small arms and ammunition, picked up in the Mediterranean; the Karine A, with a similar but larger cargo, was intercepted by Israeli naval commandos in the Red Sea in January 2002.

The Santorini’s first voyage, directed by Ahmed Jibril’s Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC), was from Tripoli in November 2000. Its second and third voyages, both in April 2001, were run by Hizballah, and the fourth, failed attempt, again by the PFLP-GC...

The case of the Santorini again underlines the close links between Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Palestinian terror operations, according to a senior military source, who adds that the ship, originally called the Abd Al-Hadi, was acquired for the PFLP-GC in the port of Arwad, a small island off the Syrian coast, and was registered as Syrian....

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Hi Marilyn, I copied and pasted your view (which I agree on) about the day of the Crucifixion being on Thursday the 13th Nissan to a site
www.rapture.ws/nisan10html where he states that the crucifixion was on Friday the 14th Nissan. He has written back and would like your help so that I can give him an answer back. You are always so informative and we can all learn together especially when you spell it out so plainly. Your help would be much appreciated. Below is his letter to me.
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> > Re: check your dates crucifixion on 13 Nissan Thursday

It's good to see that you are searching the Scriptures. Leviticus helps us to understand an important truth.

> > You state; "When we have such a clear statement in Scripture, how people can make Wednesday or Friday Crucifixion Day is beyond me. The Preparation of the Passover was Thursday (Nisan 13). The Passover was Friday (Nisan 14). The Feast of Unleavened Bread was Saturday (Nisan 15). The Resurrection was Sunday (Nisan 16)."
> > Scripture states; "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover." Lev. 23:5

How do we KNOW if the Passover is at the beginning of the 14th or at the end, the beginning of the 15th day.

> > Lev. 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
> > Lev. 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
> > In the ninth day at even is the beginning of the tenth day.

Jesus was crucified on the fourteenth. In the fourteenth day at even is the beginning of the fifteenth day. Passover is observed on the fifteenth day. It is also the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The fourteenth day of Nisan is the "day of preparation."

Thanks for your interest. In Jesus

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> Scripture states; "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover." Lev. 23:5

> How do we KNOW if the Passover is at the beginning of the 14th or at the end, the beginning of the 15th day.

Lev. 23:27 sets the Day of Atonement on "the tenth day of this seventh month." All feasts are sabbaths. Verse 32 tells how to keep the sabbatic Day of Atonement. It says, "in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath."

Tishri 10 starts at 6 PM on Tishri 9 and lasts until 6 PM (or sunset) on Tishri 10. All Jewish calendar dates start at 6 PM on the preceding day. There are first 12 hours of night, then 12 hours of day for each date. The only midnight that belongs to Nisan 14 is 6 hours after it begins at 6 PM on Nisan 13. The roasted Passover lambs had to be eaten between that 6 PM and midnight 6 hours later. The 12-hour daylight portion of Nisan 14 didn't come until 6 hours after midnight.

> > Jesus was crucified on the fourteenth.
> > In the fourteenth day at even is the beginning of the fifteenth day.
> > Passover is observed on the fifteenth day.
> > It is also the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
> > The fourteenth day of Nisan is the "day of preparation."

That doesn't work. Passover was not to be observed on the 15th day, but on the 14th. The day of preparation has to be the day before Passover. Lev 23:5,6 says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even (6 PM on the 13th) is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month (starting at 6 PM on the 14th) is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD." The day that precedes the Passover is Nisan 13.

It's hard to think in terms of their days. We can get mixed up and lose a whole day in our thinking, because we tend to think in terms of our days.

Jesus was our Passover. 1Cor 5:7 says, "Purge out therefore the old leaven (yeast, representing sin), that ye may be a new lump (of bread dough), as ye are unleavened. For even Christ OUR PASSOVER is sacrificed for us."

To get myself oriented, I drew a diagram showing 1st the night, then the day for each date. We think day then night. But this is the opposite, night then day. The last supper was as Nisan 13 began. Jesus was tried in the night and early morning. He was crucified at 9 AM Roman time in the daylight portion of Thursday, Nisan 13.

When were the lambs killed? On the Preparation of the Passover, Nisan 13, between 3 and 5 PM. They were to be roasted and ready to be eaten between 6 PM and the following midnight, during the first 6 hours of Nisan 14, the Feast of Passover.

Jesus died about 3 PM on the Preparation of the Passover, Nisan 13, as the priests were beginning to kill the Passover lambs.

John 19:14-16 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER (NISAN 13), and about the sixth hour (9 AM, Roman time): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified."

The 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth (Mt. 12:40) were Thursday (day), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day), and Sunday (night).

Luke 24:21 says, "we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the THIRD DAY SINCE these things were done." He was crucified on Thursday and arose on Sunday, the 3rd day "since" (Friday, Saturday, Sunday). Agape

Incoming email, Re: Noah entered on Cheshvan 17?

I don't see how anything but your last paragraph relates to telling us Tishri was the first month. All of your previous paragraphs are using the assumption that Tishri was the first month. The only thing you're telling me as to WHY you think it was the first month is your last paragraph. Just because those biblical characters new what years were, and new their age, doesn't mean that any of these years or ages started on Tishri. You can know your approximate age counting relative 12-month cycles. Even if they didn't use relative 12-month cycles, it's still all THEORY that Tishrei was the first month. It could be that Abib was the first month all along, and God didn't tell them specifically until Exodus.

With regard to your idea about warm weather in Eden... There are places where there exists no weather-changing seasons. In addition, the garden of eden could have had its own separate weather. Just because God marked off "seasons" in early Genesis, doesn't mean each of those seasons had the accompanying weather (in the garden) -- a fact which can be seen in many places of the earth. In California alone, there's hardly any weather-changing seasons. In addition, there could have been entirely independent rules that govern reality in the garden. I mean, talking snakes? Fruit that will make you self-aware? Adam and Eve were supernatural beings before they fell. Who said they even NEEDED clothes to keep warm? :) Just because they didn't need clothes is not nearly enough scientific evidence for one to say Tishri was the first month, you know?

My reply

Some calendar was kept by the Israelites when they were in Egypt. It was the same calendar used to keep their genealogy records.

At the Exodus, there was a change in that calendar. Ex. 12:2 says, "This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the FIRST MONTH of the year to you."

This first month is also called the Abib or Nisan. Deu 16:1 says, "Observe the month of ABIB, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of ABIB the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night." Neh 2:1 says, "it came to pass in the month NISAN."

Another month mentioned in Scripture is Bul (Cheshvan). 1Ki 6:38 says, "in the eleventh year, in the month BUL, which is the eighth month, was the house finished." Est 8:9 mentions Sivan. "Then were the king's scribes called at that time in the third month, that is, the month SIVAN." Elul is in Neh 6:15: "So the wall was finished in the twenty and fifth day of the month ELUL." Adar is mentioned in Ezr 6:15: "this house was finished on the third day of the month ADAR."

Here is a puzzle for you to work. The first month of the Sacred Calendar is Nisan/Abib. Some of the other months on the Sacred Calendar are (3) Sivan, (6) Elul, (8) Bul and (12) Adar. What calendar do you think was kept before the Sacred Calendar came into being at the Exodus? Remember, it had the same month names as the Sacred Calendar. Nothing was changed at the Exodus but the numbering of the months. What would back up your decision?

> > In California alone, there's hardly any weather-changing seasons.

I guess you mean Southern California. In northern California, it is colder and rains a lot. I live in Southern California. If there are no seasonal changes, why am I now using the furnace, when I needed the air conditioner earlier? Agape

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11-6-02 - today's Astronomy Picture of the Day shows the above structure, six points of stars, which includes Aldebaran and Rigel (favorites of mine because they were the names of horses in Lou Wallace's novel Ben Hur; they were part of the team that Judah Ben Hur drove in the chariot race). The planet Saturn appears inside the hexagon. The six points make me think of the Star of David.

It is a lovely photograph. I am praying for you and Ed. Be steadfast and unmoveable...."always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord." 1 Corinthians 15:58

Looking forward to the day that we will meet face to face, in glory, in the presence of our beloved Jesus.

My reply

Thanks. I hadn't thought about the Star of David, but it works if we draw 2 triangles between these stars (Pollux, Sirius and Aldebaran) and (Procyon, Rigel and Capella). As you noticed, Saturn is within the inner hexagon.

Try this too. Draw a cross (Capella to Sirius) and (Pollux to Aldebaran). Saturn is very near the crossing of the 2 lines. Those 2 red stars closest to Saturn are part of Gemini, as are Castor and Pollux.

This set me to thinking. GEMINI takes me right back to Pentecost again.

In Act 28:11 Paul said, "after three months (of winter, i.e., in the spring) WE DEPARTED (anago, sailed away, were taken up) in a ship of Alexandria (meaning defending men), which had wintered in the isle, whose sign was Castor and Pollux." Those stars are in GEMINI. In Hebrew, GEMINI is THAUMIN, the UNITED.

In Hebrew, Arabic and Syriac, the names of this sign carry the idea of completion, as in the COMPLETION OF A BETROTHAL. This pair is the Bridegroom and the Bride at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. He has his arm around her waist. She has the lyre, symbol of the redeemed, and is one that sings the new song after the Rapture ( Rev. 7:9). In the older Zodiacs, he also has a branch in one hand, showing that he is THE BRANCH (Jesus).

GEMINI, in the Denderah Zodiac, is CLAUSTRUM HOR (THE PLACE OF HIM WHO COMETH) i.e., Heaven, which travels along the ecliptic. Gemini is symbolic of Heaven, probably Saturn, which is where Jesus would have gone to "prepare a place" for us that where he is, we may be also (Jn. 14:2)

From May 21 to June 22, we find the Sun in GEMINI. That seems to be the SIGN of the RAPTURE ON PENTECOST, indicating the month that we will be seated in heavenly places on the ecliptic with Christ on Saturn in the Milky Way.

It still looks like GEMINI is the sign of the Rapture. The sun enters GEMINI May 21 and leaves Jun 21. I think the Rapture is most likely on Pentecost afterall, while the sun is in GEMINI.

Pentecost will be Sivan 6 or 7, but I think the 7th is more likely. Saturday, Sivan 7, is June 7 in 2003. That's a good date. Israel took the temple area on June 7 in 1967, and we are the temple of the Spirit of Christ. It is on Saturday (from Saturnday). In Hebrew, Saturn is Shabbatai; Shabbat is the Saturday Sabbath. The Sabbath is the 7th day. According to Josephus, Saturn would be the 7th lamp on the candlestick.

In GEMINI, the Bride and Bridegroom are sitting on the ecliptic, and Saturn travels the ecliptic. The male figure on the left has ORION's club in his hand, showing that he represents the same person as ORION, Christ.

CASTOR, in Gr. and Latin, means THE RULER or JUDGE. POLLUX means WHO COMES TO LABOR AND SUFFER. These tell us that the Bridegroom is Christ. The Bride and Bridegroom are pictured as resting peacefully, SEATED TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES. Eph. 2:6 says that he "hath raised us up together (at the Rapture), and made us SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS."

In GEMINI, the Bride also has a weapon, but is not using it yet. That awaits the Second Advent and Armageddon. Psa. 149:4-9 says, "the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them SING aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints."

CASTOR, in Gr. and Latin, means THE RULER or JUDGE. POLLUX means WHO COMES TO LABOR AND SUFFER. These tell us that the Bridegroom is Christ.

Song of Sol. 4:16: "Awake, O north wind (cold); and come, thou SOUTH (i.e., warm wind of spring); BLOW UPON MY GARDEN, THAT THE SPICES THEREOF MAY FLOW OUT (at the Rapture). Let my beloved (Christ) come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits."

Song of Sol. 2:10-13: "My beloved (Christ) SPAKE, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY (the Rapture). For, lo, the WINTER IS PAST, the rain is over and gone: The flowers appear on the earth; THE TIME OF THE SINGING OF BIRDS IS COME (symbol, LYRA), and the VOICE of the turtle (lit., turtledove, Spirit of Christ) is heard in our land (from April to October); The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (in Christ), in the SECRET ('places' is not in the original) OF THE STAIRS" (as Jacob's ladder went from Earth to Heaven).

Luke 21:25-28 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare (trial that shall come upon 'all the world,' Rev. 3:10) shall it (the Tribulation trial) come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

This parable of the fig tree in Luke 21 is different from the others. When Israel grew and she and other nations pushed at each other, i.e., shot at each other, probably refers to the Six-Day War of 1967. This generation, starting in 1967 won't pass away until 2007, 40 years after 1967.

If the Rapture were to take place June 7, 2003, adding 1260 days for the prophesying of the two witnesses would be Saturday, Nov. 18, 2006 (Cheshvan 27, day Noah exited the Ark). The Sabbath would be a good time for the False Prophet to sit in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). His time would really be short, but possible. From Nov. 18, 2006 to Sept. 13, 2007 (Feast of Trumpets) is 299 days. From Nov. 18, 2006 to April 6, 2008 (Second Advent) is 505 days.

However, we need to stay ready, in case the Lord comes sooner than next Pentecost. At least, Pentecost is still a possibility.

Thanks for your prayers. Agape

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