Pro and Con 97, Uploaded 5-17-98
Incoming Email, Re: SNOW, SNOW, SNOW Did you see the SNOWFALL in the news again this past week? I think it was in YOUR state!!!!
15 days and counting!!!!!!!
My reply You bet. It is in the mountains within view of our house. I made a note on 5-13, Running Springs was expected to get 12" and other areas were to get 6".
There is something different going on in the field just outside our tract where they are to build a park. They planted wheat (first time since we've been here, maybe 3 years; it was just weeds before). Then they cut the outside row (reminded me of the offering at Firstfruits). It is just about ripe for harvest (Pentecost?). Then Sat., 5-9, Ed and I saw a flock of sheep, their shepherd and dog (we have never seen sheep anywhere near here before). I told son David and his kids that we saw them. Dave said that the same day, he and the kids found that they have built a sheepfold for them in the field. The Lord is our shepherd and we are his sheep. We are also wheat. Strange that these would appear very near us now. I think we are the 4th house from the field. It is in sight of the house.
I was telling someone of this on the phone yesterday (5-13) when my son walked in behind me and said, "They're gone." I turned around to confirm it and he said, "They are all gone. Even the fences are gone." We are the sheep and soon we will be gone. It all fits so well, we are just amazed. The lambs disappeared on the same day the snow came, 5-13.
(Note: After I sent this, it hit me that 5-13 is about as close to 5-31 as you can get without it being 5-31. Just turn the 13 around.
I got to thinking. We got snow in our southern California mountains 5-13. Twelve inches at Running Springs and 6" elsewhere was expected when it started. The next day so much had fallen, they were thinking about reopening a ski lift that had closed at Mt. Baldy. 5-13 is mighty like 5-31. Proverbs 25:13 mentions "the cold of snow in the time (yowm, time, season, day) of harvest." That verse address even has 5:13 in it. Very interesting.)
Incoming Email I've read your page about Rapture on Pentecost '98, and thought it was really interesting - really thought-provoking.
I had a few questions(you've probably heard every one at least thirty times :-), and would really be thankful if you could find the time to answer them.
1. What are you going to do IF the Rapture not only isn't on Pentecost, but nothing that has to do with the end times(rebuilding of temple, antichrist, one-world government, etc.) happens within the next...say, twenty years? Are you going to try and find another possible date? See, the first thing I'll do on June 1st(if May 31st really wasn't rapture time) is check your page...and send you a note of encouragement. I don't mean this sarcastically at all...if I'd study prophecy about the rapture over 20 years, fixing everything on this date, I'd be devestated if it didn't happen!
2. Why are you still asking money for your leaflets if you'll be raptured anyway? :)
3. Don't you think the hour of rapture could be noon Greenwich Main Time, May 31st? At exactly noon, it'll be May 31st all over the globe! Right at the splitsecond where it turns noon. Why do you think 6p.m. May 30th in Jerusalem?
4. Do you think a pope will be the antichrist? You've probably heard about the VICarIVs fILII DeI - number?
5. That stuff about the miraculous blood of Jesus - isn't that a bit far-fetched? I mean, no names given of the Israeli "blood checkers", no publishing of human skeletons, no actual evidence that the Ark of the Covenant was actually inside Golgatha, etc. And I haven't heard a thing about that dried blood - wouldn't it be pretty big news?
6. Don't you think a more detailed explanation of the gospel would be kind of important on a page like yours? I mean, eternal salvation is a lot more important than knowing the rapture date...what about people after the rapture who come to your page, looking for answers?
7. Ever heard that 3 X 666 = 1998 ? :-)
God bless...trust in Him, not in your own understanding!!! That's what I think God means by "watching" and keeping watch - trusting in Him, not ourselves, not looking at ourselves, but at Him.
Thanks for your work and really interesting page!!!
My reply > 1. What are you going to do IF the Rapture ... isn't on Pentecost
Wait patiently as I have been doing ever since 1968. We now only have 9 years into which all the end-of-the-age events must take place. It can't be long. The temple has to be there at the beginning of the Tribulation.
> if I'd study prophecy about the rapture over 20 years, fixing everything on this
> date, I'd be devestated if it didn't happen!
Make that about 40 years study and 30 years since I found out the schedule of end-time events. However, I won't be devasted. I know who the Lord Jesus Christ really is, the YHVH of hosts of Isa. 44:6. Nothing can shake my faith, and I know that everything will happen according to His schedule pre-planned before the world began.
How could I find time and money to ship a huge number of books (not leaflets) in the little time we have left?
> 3. Don't you think the hour of rapture could be noon Greenwich Main
> Time, May 31st? At exactly noon, it'll be May 31st all over the globe!
> Right at the splitsecond where it turns noon. Why do you think 6p.m.
> May 30th in Jerusalem?
You have a good point. Maybe it will happen that way. I don't think 6 PM May 30th in Jerusalem. I think midnight, May 31.
> 4. Do you think a pope will be the antichrist? You've probably heard
> about the VICarIVs fILII DeI - number?
Yes, I think the Tribulation Pope will be the Beast. The number you refer to is 666. He will be worshipped (Rev. 11:8), and people will say, "who is able to make war with him?" (Rev. 11:4). The Beast is an antichrist, but the False Prophet is The Antichrist. He will be Satan-possessed.
> 5. That stuff about the miraculous blood of Jesus - isn't that a bit
It may be, but keep an open mind. There was an earthquake and the rocks rent.
> about that dried blood - wouldn't it be pretty big news?
Does Israel want war with the Arabs?
> 6. Don't you think a more detailed explanation of the gospel would be
> kind of important on a page like yours?
What does one have to do besides accept Christ?
> what about people after the rapture who come to your page, looking for answers?
They will find the schedule of end-time events and a lot more.
> 7. Ever heard that 3 X 666 = 1998 ? :-)
Yes, quite a few have pointed that out.
> God bless...trust in Him, not in your own understanding!!! That's what
> I think God means by "watching" and keeping watch - trusting in Him,
> not ourselves, not looking at ourselves, but at Him.
I do trust in Him, and I asked Him to give me understanding. You may find that watching was the key of knowledge. We don't want to be accused of taking away the key of knowledge, as the Pharisees were.
I'm glad you find my Web site interesting.
Incoming Email, Re: Your some lady (Marilyn Agee)
You dear lady. I have only been telling people this last couple of months about the rapture date, (well, over the years I have told a few, but they thought I was 1 fry short of a happy meal), and have met an unbelievable amount of skepticism. Some even laughed at me. I can't imagine doing this for 30 years. My respect for you which was already high, just went through the roof. I have had a few really listen, but no one other than some family members, (who have known as long as I have) has really come on board. There will be a crown for you. Yesterday I spoke with ----, the pastor you sent the books to and who thought you were way out there. At the beginning of our conversation he was still very closed but when we got through, he was very anxious to take another look. The chuck Missler newsletter was a help. I sent him my rapture letter and am waiting to hear back. Got to go. Blessings and thank you so much for all the time you have spent responding to my copious e- mails. Look up, Look out, Jesus is coming.
My reply Thanks for the kudos.
Send Jack Langford's URL to pastor ----. He has found that the Crucifixion/Resurrection/Pentecost of 30 AD was played out in days, and the Holocaust of the Jews/ resurrection of Israel/Pentecost Rapture is being played out in years now. End of War with Germany, i.e., end of what has been called the Crucifixion of the Jews in 1945/resurrection of Israel after 3 years/Pentecost Rapture after 50 years.
Someone sent me Chuck Missler's May Newsletter. I liked this in "The Appointed Times" article: "(For those subscribers who don't hold a pre-tribulation view, don't be concerned: we will have mailed our June newsletter before May 31.)"
Incoming Email I have watched your web site the last 6 months or so. I have read all your books (on the second go-around now). I have asked the Lord to give me a witness in my spirit and to help me "search the scriptures and see if these things be so". I believe your insights to be Biblical and true. You asked Him, and He sure answered you.
I think of you when I think of the "widow's mite". All those learned folks out there, using their education and their heads in a great mental exercise to interpret end time events in such a way that makes sense to their minds, while trying not to rock the ecclesiastical boat so as to lose position or influence among their colleagues. Then along comes a housewife, no advanced theological degrees, who just throws herself across the bed and cries out to God for wisdom and understanding. Very simple. Very direct. And 100% from the heart. When you asked HIm for that, you threw all you had "into the collection box", so to speak. And He stood up, and shouted, "yes! one who seeks Me with their whole heart!". Your reward is great in the Kingdom of Heaven, not in case you have correctly discerned the date of the Rapture, but because you *sought God with all your heart.* And also because of the great fruit that abounds to your account for being the Holy Spirit's vessel, causing many to clean up their act and get ready. Way to go, good and faithful servant!!
I wanted to tell you something else that will bless you. My wife used to be afraid of the rapture because it is sure to be quite a new experience. (Most of us are very rarely translated somewhere by the Spirit, you know. Up to now, anyway.) One night in 1985, God gave her a vivid dream about it. In the dream He used many beautiful symbols and types to describe the events leading up to the moment of the catching away. They served to personalize the dream for Gail and made it all the more real. I won't get into them now... the point I'm making is that in the dream, we all KNEW when we were going up, and that last day was a mad dash trying to get everything done. Just like leaving on a long trip. Before the dream, our understanding was that "nobody could know the day or hour", but in the dream we sure knew, all right. So Gail and I revised our theology to allow for the probability that we would "pick it up in our spirits", bit by bit as it approached.
When we found you, it was such a beautiful confirmation of the elements in the dream... We have indeed picked up in our spirits the last two years or so that it is "at the door", but we were tremendously blessed to see it in the Word, courtesy of you!
God bless you!!...
My reply What a nice email to read. Thanks loads.
I had forgotten that when I read Isaiah 6:8, I echoed Isaiah's "Here am I; send me." I guess the Lord took me up on it.
Don't worry about the printing. Just got home from Bible study tonight and an "angel" started printing at the end and tried to see how many Pro and Cons he could get printed for me before having to leave for Bible study. Our efforts overlapped by a little, so it is done except for quite a few Pro and Cons I have to put HTML on and get uploaded. I should be able to keep up by setting one to print when I go to lunch and another to print when I go to bed. I feel like a great weight has been lifted from my shoulders. The person that did this for me is very special to both my husband and me, and has been for quite some time. I hope the Lord blesses him greatly for his help.
Incoming Email The Lord has just introduced me to you via the web. I am a Born again, believer who has been studying end times for quite some time, and have felt a little like the fish that swims the other way until this day. I subscribe to the Armageddon Books Newletter, and so have found your excellent articles. When I discovered your findings on the upcoming rapture, I immediately felt a spiritual confirmation, and thought you might like to know what the Lord showed me in John, Chapter 20.
It is in regard to "Doubting" Thomas. The desciple saw Jesus immediately on the first day of the week after His Resurrection, and because Thomas didn't believe, he did not see Him until after the eight day. And, of course, the Lord said that those that believed when they didn't see Him, could very well relate to the same aspect as the faith of Enoch. Those that believe, and have no doubt, will see Him first.
The seven days that passed before Thomas saw Him, represents the final week, or the 7 years prophesied in Daniel as the tribulation. Also, even in verse 7 of the same chapter, He leaves a clue. The "knapkin" is not with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.....meaning that He, Jesus, is the Head, and not with the "Body" at this time, that He has left us, to prepare a place....awesome, is it not? God is a rewarded of those who diligently seek Him.
I also, am an "older" Granmother (55). Sometimes, like in other parts of the Bible, I think God uses women, when he can't find the "Mighty Men" or is it that He uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise? You are a blessing to the body, and I hope to see you soon, real soon. In Him ! I know you are probably a busy lady, but a little response would be much appreciated.
My reply Thanks so much for sharing your special insight. Two heads are often better than one. I had not seen the things you brought out. I will put them on the Web page for all to see.
Incoming Email I have waited too long to tell you how much your incredible studies have meant. Your books, your web-site, and your dedication to the Lord is love. I have shared your work with those who will accept it, and am still amazed at those who do not want to know.
My daughter-in-law has been so inspired that she is studying her Bible, witnessing, and touching people for the Lord. She and my son are back in church with my grandchildren. Her best friend and her husband have been saved, baptized, and are in church with their babies. My daughter- -in-law's mother and brother are asking questions, and her best friends mother is reading her Bible.
My daughter-in-law has done a beautiful scripture,'He Will Teach You All Things", study to help show that we CAN KNOW when Jesus is coming back for us....
I cannot thank you enough for your perserverance and love for the Lord Jesus Christ....Thanks for sharing this great news.
Incoming Email Your Page has purked my ears. I used to believe the pre-tribe raptory theory. My reproof---Why would God give us all these signs if we would not see them,--- 2Ths 2:1-3 no rapture till you see the abomination,--- Mat 24 When you see the abomination (let him who readeth) and chronologically the rapture is after the tribulation of those days--- that the days would be like the days of Noah, many wouldn't even know is was prophecied.--- We are not to suffer wrath, The wrath is poured out after the 7th seal is opened which is opened just after saints? are presented to the Father. ---The Last Day? ---The Last Trump? After them that are dead, Martha knew Lazurus would be raised on the Last day and Yeshua didn't correct her. Only a false prophet would tell the church " don't worry you won't be here" My point? Then I read your Page.
You have pointed out several things that I had to consider after hearing them, and perhaps you are right. Other's have tried to tell me that there could be two raptures and I could not listen to them. Why? They couldn't use His Word "as sharp as it is" to prove thier point. So I had to stand on the scripture I know. Or at least the on argument that I knew. The first verse I learned was Acts 17:11 Praise God!
I also believe the days are coming, but my studying was on end time events that I haven't heard you mention (in what I have read so far) Examples are, the peace treaty, covnant with sheol, Israels 70th Jubilee? Y2K a turning point for the mark of the beast? Figuring out who the antichrist could be (I won't go into that one, but it is interesting) Your main point seems to be May,31 1998 and of course I say no one knows the day nor the hour but of the Time (year) and season we should be able to figure out Ps 79? Lord teach us to number our days. Today is the 3rd of May. I won't be in suspense for nearly as long as some of your readers
I did read something you said about not being a prophet, I can agree, but being wrong and having to admit it is quite humbling, it will be a good lesson for you. If you are right you'll probably get some kind of reward out of it but then if you are right and have caused your readys to run as to win they will all think you deserve a reward :-) I usually don't write to much so I'll get to the question I have.
Dan 8. 2,300 days? Isn't that 2,300 evenings and mornings? thus 1,150 days which is close to 42 months as in Rev 11? or closer to 1,150 + 5months of Rev 9 which is closer to 1,290-1,335. My question is merely about the translation of days of which is not in the original.
One more Q.? Do you take Doctrine, and opposing doctrine seriosly. There is but one true doctrine. If a person is teaching true doctrine and somebody is teaching contradictery to that they are teahing lies, thus the truth is not in him. My q.? Do you throw the baby out with the bath water? Or do you listen with eagerness then search the scriptures to see if those things are so? Probably so. Just a question that ran threw my head :-) If you took the time to read this thanks, then the time writing it wasn't wasted. If you take a moment to respond then thank you in advance. It will probably be quite a month for the man that is telling everybody to look up on May 31. LOL I hope your right. Has anybody else come to the same conclusion independent of reading you material? For we know in part and prophecy in part.
My reply > 2Ths 2:1-3 no rapture till you see the abomination
The Greek word "apostasia," translated "falling away," means "departing," defection from a state, separation (as in a divorce); from the root "aphistemi," to withdraw oneself, desert a station in life, remove, go away, absent oneself from, depart (i.e., the Rapture) FIRST, and the man of sin be revealed after that.
"He apostasia" means "THE DEPARTURE" and was so translated in early versions, including The Geneva Bible, Tyndale's translation, Cranmer's version, the Great Bible, Breecher's Bible, Beza's translation and the Coverdale Bible.
> Mat 24 When you see the abomination (let him who readeth) and chronologically the
> rapture is after the tribulation of those days
Mark 13:23-27 says, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS. But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened (when the sixth seal opens, Rev. 6:12)...then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture, Rev. 7:14) to the uttermost part of heaven" (those that were resurrected or raptured in the Pre-Trib Rapture, I Thess. 4:13-18). The seventh seal is broken in Rev. 8:1. Thus this gathering of all saints is before the seven trumpet judgments that come after the seventh seal is broken.
This assembly is the convening of court at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Notice that "there was silence in heaven" (Rev. 8:1) while the judge was being seated.
> that the days would be like the days of Noah, many wouldn't even know is was
However, Noah and his family knew.
> We are not to suffer wrath, The wrath is poured out after the 7th seal is opened
> which is opened just after saints? are presented to the Father.
True, but the Bride of Christ is taken up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. The remnant of the Body of Christ is taken up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture.
> The Last Day? ---The Last Trump? After them that are dead, Martha knew Lazurus
> would be raised on the Last day and Yeshua didn't correct her.
Maybe he will be part of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The Pre-Trib Rapture is the first trump of God (I Thess. 4:16). The Pre-Wrath Rapture is at the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:52).
> first verse I learned was Acts 17:11 Praise God!
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
> I also believe the days are coming, but my studying was on end time
> events that I haven't heard you mention (in what I have read so far)
> Examples are, the peace treaty, covnant with sheol, Israels 70th Jubilee?
> Y2K a turning point for the mark of the beast?
The confirmation of the peace treaty is at the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel (Dan. 9:27). Isa. 28:15 says, "Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death (i.e., the Satan possessed False Prophet, Rev. 6:8), and with hell (i.e., Satan) are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore...the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge (tsunami because the mountain burning with fire [Rev. 8:8] will impact the Mediterranean Sea [Zeph. 2:4,5])
Israel was to keep the 50th year after coming into the land as a Jubilee Year. Modern Israel was resurrected in 1948. 1948 + 50 = 1998.
Our military men in Basic Training are even now given a smartcard called a MARC.
> Dan 8 2,300 days? Isn't that 2,300 evenings and mornings?
No. Dan. 8:26 says, "the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true. According the Gen. 1:5, "the evening and the morning were the first day." That is one 24-hour day. In Dan. 8:14, we have 2300 ordinary 24-hour days.
> Or do you listen with eagerness then search the scriptures to see if those
> things are so?
Yes. Some things have been brought to my understanding by those that are wrong on certain points, yet correct on others. For instance, Ernest Martin was trying to prove that Jesus was born in 3 BC and that Herod died in 1 BC. He did not change my mind that Jesus was born in 5 BC, but his work made me realize that the Wise Men came to see Jesus when he was two years old in 3 BC. Herod had the young boys two years old and under killed in Bethlehem. Then Herod did die in 1 BC.
The year 3 BC is important. It was when the Wise Men symbolically anointed Jesus as King and Priest, symbolized by the gifts they brought him, gold, frankincense and myrhh. That was the beginning of this age. BC 3 + 2000 years = 1998 because there was no zero year between BC 1 and 1 AD. I expect the Rapture in 1998.
> Has anybody else come to the same conclusion independent of reading you material?
Yes. Jack W. Langford saw something that I did not see, that what was played out from the Crucifixion to Pentecost in 30 AD is now being played out in years.
First the Crucifixion of Jesus, which the holocaust offering depicted, then three days later his resurrection, then 50 days later the Spirit of Christ descended upon the disciples.
In our days, the Holocaust of the Jews ended in 1945. Three years later, Israel was resurrected. He too expects the decent of Christ at the Rapture on Pentecost, May 31, 1998, 50 years after Israel's resurrection.
The decent of the Holy Spirit was not secret, but he did not manifest himself bodily on the earth. Also, the Rapture will be seen my many (Psa. 40:1-3) and is not the Second Advent.
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