Pro and Con 971

Posted 9-23-02

A meteorite and the damage it caused



APOD: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Incoming email, Re: Pope Kisses Koran

When I read your last post about the harlot church, I remembered a picture that I had saved of the Pope kissing the Koran.

I thought that maybe it would be an appropriate time in your next post to show such a photo.
http://www.garykah.org/html/popekoran.htm

I STILL love your site!
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The pope kissing The Koran

Here is a photo of the pope at the end of an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq, where the pope "bowed" to the Muslim holy book, The Koran, presented to him by the delegation.

Did the pope, who in fact is the supposed "infallible" voice of the Roman Catholic Church not remember what The Koran has to say about Jesus and the nature of God? Does he not know how The Koran demotes Jesus the Messiah to "only a messenger of Allah" status?

"O people of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit [sic.] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and say not 'Three' - Cease! (it is better for you! - Allah is only one God. Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son...The Messiah will never scorn to be a slave unto Allah."...

SOURCE: Fides (Rome) news Interview with Patriarch of Babylon, distinguished Church source of Report:
http://www.fides.org/English/1999/e19990604.html - June 4th 1999 - No 4151 - NE 312

My reply

I printed the picture again. It was on one of the earlier Pro and Cons. I don't see how a born-again Christian could do that. Agape

Incoming email

In Pro & Con 970 you stated the following:

Hos 5:9-15; 6:1-3 says, "among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be and none shall rescue him.... I will be unto Ephraim (duel, double fruit; i.e., at the 2nd Rapture at the end of the shortened Tribulation) as a lion (shachal, roaring, fierce lion; i.e., an older lion), and as A YOUNG LION (kphiyr, i.e., as seen in the Lunar eclipse over Jerusalem on 1-9-01) to the house of Judah (praised, i.e., the praised will be taken away in Rapture I, before the Tribulation): I, even I, will tear (taraph, pluck off) and go away (yalak); I will take away (nasa, lift up), and none shall rescue him. I will go and return to my place (Heaven) , till they acknowledge their offence (i.e., confess their sins, I John 1:9), and seek my face: in their affliction (tsar, tribulation) they will seek me early."

I went to Google and checked on the life span of a lion and found that they live in the wild somewhere around 15 to 18 years. But what I found interesting is that they remain with the females until they are 2 1/2 to 3 years old. At this point they are no longer young but are considered a full grown male lion who goes out on his own searching for females. (bride?) If the young lion was seen on the moon in the Luner eclipse on 1-9-01, then 2 1/2 to 3 years later would be between June 2003 till the end of 2003. Just a thought. I really am counting on Hanukkah this year. Agape

My reply

Thanks. Next Pentecost is Sivan 6 and 7, 5763 (June 6 and 7, 2003). I won't be unhappy if the Rapture comes on Hanukkah. Agape

Psa. 149

I went back to look at Psa. 149 again. We are to execute judgment. Look!

Psa 149:1-9: " Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG (sung in Heaven after the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 5:9), and his praise in the congregation (qahal, assemblage (usually concretely):--assembly, company, congregation, multitude) of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation (YSHUWAH). Let the saints be joyful in glory (Heaven): let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

R.B. Thieme said that we would each one bump one demon, but this is upon heathen PEOPLE. Joel 2:15-18 seems to explain this some more. We are to be kings and priests, Rev. 1:6; 5:10.

It says, "Blow the trumpet (it's the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1) in Zion (the heavenly one), sanctify a fast (Day of Atonement, Tishri 10), call a solemn assembly: Gather the people (from one end of Heaven to the other, Mt. 24:31), sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts (gather from one end of Earth to the other, Mk. 13:27): let the bridegroom (Yeshua) go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet (chuppah, also a bridal canopy). Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people." -

Incoming email, Re: CNN.com - Reporter says al Qaeda issued new threat - Nov. 16, 2002

Any takers? It's simple to become a Muslim. The very first thing you have to do is say, "There is no God but Allah, and Allah has no Partner, meaning, no son." If you want further explanation, this means that this "God" (Allah) has no Son. Further , the Koran states that if you insist that Allah stooped to having a Son, you are an idolater and should be killed. Jesus, the Koran states, was NOT the Son of God, meaning Allah. And Jesus is not God, the Son! That is blasphemous idolatry, and all idolaters will experience Allah's flaming, boiling hell throughout all eternity.

"Say, O people of the Scripture, (Those who claim to believe the Bible) agree that God has no Son, that there is no LORD but ALLAH. If they turn from this, bear witness." (3:64)

"Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the fire. They will abide therein." (3:116)

"Allah shall cast TERROR into the hearts of the unbelievers because they believe God has a Son, which is false. Their habitation will be the fire." (3:151)

"Any who say that God has a Son commits a tremendous sin. Allah will NOT forgive him." (4:48)

"They that invent lies say that God has a Son." (Surah 4:49) "That is flagrant sin" (4:50)"Hell is sufficient for their burning." And "Allah will replace the skin that has burned off their bodies in Hell daily, so that they might taste the torment forever." (4:51)

"So fight in the cause of Allah and urge on the believers. Perhaps Allah will restrain the might of disbelievers. Allah is stronger in might and stronger in inflicting punishment." (Surah 4:84)

"There is no God but Allah. He gathereth all to the Day of Resurrection." (4:87)

"Allah pardoneth not those who say He has a Son. They (Christians) pray to none else than Satan. Allah has cursed them (meaning Christians). Allah will lead them astray." (4:116-119)

"Their habitation will be hell with no refuge." (:121)

What if you lie to the Muslim Imams and Clerics and just SAY you have become a true Muslim? "Lo, the hypocrites will be in the lowest deep of the fire with no help."

So, the first thing you have to do to become a Muslim is deny Christ. It is the first "Pillar" of Islam.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/11/16/alqaeda.threat.ap/index.html

My reply

Thanks for sending me this information. For me and my family, we choose Jesus Christ, the Son of God, as I know you do.

> > "Allah shall cast TERROR into the hearts of the unbelievers because they believe God has a Son, which is false. Their habitation will be the fire." (3:151)

Professing to believe the Bible, they demonstrate that they don't. Allah is the name of the pagan Moon god. His symbol is the crescent Moon.

In contrast, Proverbs 30:4-6 (God's Word) says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? WHAT IS HIS NAME, and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME, if thou canst tell? Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. ADD THOU NOT UNTO HIS WORDS, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."

WHAT IS GOD'S NAME? YHVH WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME? YHVH of hosts, Redeemer, YHVHshua, Yahwehshua, Yahshua, Y'shua, Yeshua, Iesous, Jesus, meaning Yahweh is Saviour.

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH king of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."

In Rev. 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the ending, saith the Lord, which is, AND which was, AND which is to come, the Almighty." In Rev. 22:12,13, Jesus said, "behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the first AND the last. In Rev 22:16, he said, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root AND the offspring of David." As YHVH king of Israel, he is the root of David. As YHVH of hosts, he is the offspring of David.

Isa. 9:6,7 says, "unto us a child (Jesus) is born (inheriting his human nature from his mother), unto us a son is given (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of THE LORD OF HOSTS (i.e., Jesus Christ, the Son of God) WILL PERFORM THIS."

Isa. 52:6,7 says, "THEREFORE MY PEOPLE SHALL KNOW MY NAME: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God (YHVH king of Israel/YHVH of hosts) reigneth!"

Verse 10 says, "The LORD (YHVH) hath made bare HIS HOLY ARM in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation (YSHUWAH) of our God." Yeshua is the holy arm of Yahweh. In John 10:30, Yeshua/Jesus said, "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE. II Cor. 5:19 says, "GOD WAS IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto himself."

Isa 53:1-5 says, "Who hath believed our report? and TO WHOM IS THE ARM OF THE LORD revealed? (to the Jews) For he (Jesus, the arm of the LORD, the Son of God) shall grow up before him (the Father) as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we (Israel) hid as it were our faces from him (Jesus); he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he (the arm of the Lord, the Son of God) was wounded (crucified) for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and WITH HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED."

Jesus Christ did it all. There is no room for any other in the redemption of mankind. Therefore the followers of Allah, the Moon god, will fight, but they won't win. Job 41:9 says, "Behold, the hope of him (leviathan, literally the twisted animal, i.e., the dragon, the serpent, Satan) is in vain." Agape

Aberdeen team unearth asteroid crash

JOHN INNES
http://www.news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1269842002
...The asteroid, pieces of which were found in England, caused shockwaves 40 million times larger than the Hiroshima explosion.

Dr Gordon Walkden, the head of geology at Aberdeenís Robert Gordon University, and his team stumbled across the aftermath of the explosion

The find, a combination of molten lava and minerals, mystified experts. But now, 20 years after the crash site was found, its importance has been recognised....

Dr Simon Kelley of the Open University was approached by the Scottish team and asked to date the asteroid discovery.

His tests put its age at 214 million years and links the asteroid to a giant impact crater found in Manicouagan, north-east Canada. At the time Manicouagan would have been much closer to Britain than it is today. It is thought the object which caused the Manicouagan crater was a chunk of rock more than three miles wide.

Dr Walkden added: "This crater would have been caused by a shock wave at least 40 million times larger than the Hiroshima blast and would have carried molten rock and dust thousands of miles.

"It is this material that we have found. The thickness of what we have found and the minerals in it definitely link this to the Manicouagan."

"Unexpected findings in 'little' Big Bang," :-)

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0211/17littlebang/

11-17-02 Scientists have recreated a temperature not seen since the first microsecond of the birth of the universe and found that the event did not unfold quite the way they expected, according to a recent paper in Physical Review Letters. The interaction of energy, matter, and the strong nuclear force in the ultra-hot experiments conducted at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) was thought to be well understood, but a lengthy investigation has revealed that physicists are missing something in their model of how the universe works....

The seven good years were proclaimed, OFFICIALLY, by the Jewish rabbis in 1993

Angie Ritchey (16 Nov 2002) "Confirmation chart for spring 2003" http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2002/angier1116.htm

UN Security Council Expansion, the 10 kings, and PEACE AND SECURITY

http://www.un.int/usa/iofact6.htm

...Current Structure: The Council's current structure is 5 permanent members (China, France, Russia, UK, the U.S.) each with the right to veto, and 10 NON-PERMANENT MEMBERS elected by the General Assembly for 2 year terms. Under the UN Charter, the Security Council has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international PEACE AND SECURITY, and it is the only UN body that can take decisions binding on all UN members...

Incoming email, Re: How is Ed?

How did Ed's cataract surgery go? Wasn't that to have been Thursday? We have prayed and are anxious to hear....

Enjoyed you Pro and Con this evening, as always! Take Care

My reply

Ed is ok, but can't see clearly, because the doctor couldn't get one thin layer of the lens out. He said it was stuck down too hard. Ed may have to have laser surgery later to get that last layer.

Glad you enjoy the Pro and Cons. I enjoy doing them. I can tell that the Lord is helping me when I unexpectedly think of just the right verse. I am so lucky to have e-sword now to help me find it quickly. It's nice to be able to Copy and Paste Scripture too. I learn more as I go. That keeps me hungry to get back at it. Agape

Incoming email

Can you give us examples in the new testament [which started after the death of Jesus ] how they got saved?
you for got my other question.........why did Paul re-baptized John's disciples in Act 19

My reply to this and a couple of other e-mail questions

> > Can you give us examples in the new testament [which started after the death of Jesus ] how they got saved?

Rom. 10-18-11 says, "The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."

Act 16:30,31 says, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

> > you for got my other question

I didn't forget. It was about 1 AM, time to get to bed. You sent in several e-mails. I answered as many as possible before I turned in that night. The next day I had to take Ed to the ophthalmologist for pre-op exam and get a prescription filled for special eye drops to try to avoid trouble healing because of his diabetes. (I have to get a different one filled tomorrow too. More expense when we are short of money already.) Yesterday, he had cataract surgery on the right eye. The doctor couldn't get one last layer of his lens out. It was stuck down too hard, so Ed will have to go again to have that taken off by laser in 3 months. Until then, he will still have blurry vision. That will delay getting the other eye done, which could have been in two weeks otherwise. Today, he had to go see the doctor in a nearby city for his post-op exam.

> > why did Paul re-baptized John's disciples in Act 19.

Act 1:5 says, "For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." John's baptism was for repentance. He was the forerunner to make the way straight for the coming of the Saviour. To be saved, one has to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, not John the Baptist. It is Christ's work to baptize us with the Holy Ghost when we accept Him as our own personal Saviour.

Water baptism is symbolic. It gives us a chance to declare our faith in Jesus Christ publicly. It also symbolizes that we die to the old life and come up filled with the Holy Spirit to start our new life in Christ. Gal 2:20 says, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

Acts 19:3-5 says, "he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."

> > can you tell us what believing consist of? the devil believes in one God, we believe in one God, so is believing obedience?

Heb 11:1 says, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." We are saved by our faith/belief/trust in and acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Saviour. I wanted to make sure I was saved, so I prayed and told God that I accepted Christ as my own personal Saviour.

Salvation is not to be obtained by obeying God's laws. Not one person was ever able to obey all of the laws. If they failed once, they were lost without a Saviour. That's why it was necessary for Jesus to obey all the laws and die in our stead so that we could be saved. Without him, we were all lost and on a slick slide to hell.

Isa 64:6 says, "But we are all as (like and as are symbolic language) an unclean thing, and ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES ARE AS (symbolic language) FILTHY RAGS; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."

Gal 3:11 says, "no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

Rom 3:21-23 says, "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

Gal 3:21-27 says, "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, THAT THE PROMISE BY FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST MIGHT BE GIVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

Eph 2:8-10 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." To obtain salvation, we have to accept God's gift to us.

> > Can you explain about the sewer who went for to sow? which of the four was or got or stayed saved? Mark 4:20 records the parable

These: Mar 4:20: "And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred."

It is now 1:09 AM. Gotta quit. If you have other questions, don't hesitate to send them in. I get far too many e-mails to answer them all, but I'll do my best to help you. Agape

Incoming email, Re: CNN.com - 12 Israelis killed in 'Sabbath massacre' - 11-15-02

Check under "ARAB" in your Young's Concordance's "Index-Lexicon to the Old Testament: ...showing the ORIGINAL Hebrew!" The word "arab" means:"to lay wait, lie in ambush, lie in wait, ambush, lier in ambush, lier in wait, ambushment." Did God know stuff about what would happen or not!
This IS the original and "restored" language:

Zephaniah 3:9, "Then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may call upon the lord, TO SERVE HIM WITH ONE CONSENT."

We don't even recognize the English of Chaucer's time! (the 15th Century) It sounds Germanic! Yet God has kept the language of the Jews pure from Moses's time! Moses wrote down the first five books of the Bible in the same language they speak today!

Question: How much longer will the Jews have to put up with this? I say less than three months.

My reply

Also, under the 2nd meaning, we can find these: become surety for, be surety, engage, mortgage, occupy, put in surety, undertake, occupier, put in surety, undertake, occupier, be mingled, give pledges, intermeddle, meddle with and mingle selves. Under the 3rd meaning, we find be pleasant, be pleasing, be sweet and take pleasure. Under the 4th meaning, we find be darkened, toward evening, mixed, be mixed and mingle selves.

I hope you are right about less than 3 months. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Chanukah Nov. 29/30 not FOT

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2002/diannet1116.htm

My reply

Thanks for the things you send me. I stick with the present Jewish Calendar. It is pretty accurate over 19 years and astonishingly accurate over 57 years. The calendar was to be governed by both Sun and Moon....Agape

Incoming email

And just recently they burned the reeds to blind our soldiers and the UK and Iranian soldiers in the Southern border of Iraq! More coincidence?

Jer 51:32, "...the reeds they have burned with fire, and the men of war are affrighted. 33) For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; the daughter of Babylon (Iraq) is like a threshingfloor, IT IS TIME to thresh her; yet for a little while (3 months?), and the time for her harvest shall come."
http://iraqfoundation.org/hr/2000/hrnews/aseptember/11_albu.html

My reply

Thanks for calling the burning of reeds to my attention.

There is a possibility that "IT IS TIME to thresh her" applies now that the burning of reeds has taken place. Yet, the final threshing is at the time of God's Wrath. Of that day, Jer. 51:42 says, "the sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof." That is when the asteroid destroys Babylon. This globe will shudder and rock. Job 9:6 says, "Which shaketh the earth OUT OF HER PLACE, and the pillars thereof tremble.

The overflowing of water is temporary. Verses 43-45 say, "Her cities are a desolation, a dry land, and a wilderness, a land wherein no man dwelleth, neither doth any son of man pass thereby. And I will punish Bel (i.e., the False Prophet) in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he hath swallowed up (Satan, the 8th king of Rev. 17:11): and the nations shall not flow together any more unto him: yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall. My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD."

The last sentence is talking about the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Rev. 18:4 says, "I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Verse 21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone (the asteroid of Rev. 8:10), and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

This is literal Babylon in Iraq. Jer. 51:54 says, "A sound of a cry cometh from Babylon, and great destruction from the LAND OF THE CHALDEANS." Agape

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