Pro and Con 981

Posted 12-20-02

Incoming email, Re: GRB near Canis Minor

today's Astronomy Picture of the Day announces that on December 11th, astronomers saw "one of the brightest and most distant explosions in the universe, a Gamma Ray Burst, hiding in the glare of a relatively nearby star..." This GRB was towards Canis Minor. Joseph Seiss, in his Gospel in the Stars, page 119, talks about Canis Minor, The Second Dog. The principal star is Procyon, of which Seiss writes: "...They help to strengthen the chain of evidence identifying Procyon as the starry symbol of those heavenly armies which come forth along with the King of kings and Lord of lords to the battle of the great day of God Almighty, to make an end of misrule and usurpation on earth, and clear it of all the wild beasts which have been devastating it for these many ages."

Encouragement in these final days, for before we can return with our Lord Jesus, we have to go to be with Him where He is. Seiss has a beautiful commentary on this blessed coming event in the final section of this chapter; the section is titled Summary on Gemini.

Love to you and Ed and family, and all best wishes for a blessed Christmas.

My reply

Thanks.

Re: Dec. 11-02, another gamma-ray burst http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

On 12-11-02, astronomers found one of the brightest and most distant explosions in the Universe, a gamma-ray burst. The earliest image of the visible light of this GRB was caught by an earthbound RAPTOR (RAPid Telescopes for Optical Response). The two exposures inset above were taken by a RAPTOR unit about 65 seconds (left) and 9 minutes (top right). GRB 021211, was identified by the orbiting HETE-2 satellite. It is one of only two optical transients (OTs) ever found at times so close to a burst's gamma-ray emission. Above, the fading visible light source is indicated by arrows. The GRB is toward the constellation CANIS MINOR. It may be a sign to get us to look at this constellations again.

Luke 21:25-27 says, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then (tote, at the same time) shall THEY (of the Tribulation) see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory (this is the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30, which happens 7 Jewish months before the Second Advent, Eze. 39:12,13). And when these things (signs in the sun, moon and constellations) BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up YOUR heads; for YOUR redemption (apolutrosis, deliverance, i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) draweth nigh."

Only the stars SIRIUS and CANOPUS are brighter than Saturn right now. Of course, the planets Venus and Jupiter are also brighter than Saturn.

SIRIUS (meaning THE PRINCE), is the brightest star in the sky at any time. It is in CANIS MAJOR (the greatest dog, or prince, representing Christ). Anciently, this constellation was pictured as a prince on a throne (i.e., Christ). CANIS MAJOR (Christ) and CANIS MINOR (the Bride saints) are both Decans of the constellation Gemini. They suggest that Gemini represents the REDEEMER and the REDEEMED. The star PROCYON, in CANIS MINOR, means THE REDEEMER, THE SAVIOUR.

Like Saturn, Gemini orbits along the ecliptic. This sign is associated with the tribe of Benjamin, which means Son of my right hand, i.e., Christ. Gemini represents the Bride and Bridegroom sitting together in heavenly places on the ecliptic.

Eph 1:3 says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST."
Eph 1:20 says, "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the HEAVENLY PLACES."
Eph 2:6 says, "And hath RAISED US UP TOGETHER, and made us SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES in Christ Jesus."
Eph 3:10 says, "To the intent that NOW (some time before Mid-Trib, when Satan and his angels are cast down into the Earth, Rev. 12:9) unto the principalities and powers IN HEAVENLY PLACES might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God."

This sounds like the Lord created man to prove God's perfect justice to Satan and his fallen angels. If man, who is smaller, weaker and can't see God can still obey Him, God is justified in putting Satan and the fallen angels in their prison. They could see God and failed to obey Him.

The Hebrews called Gemini THAUMIN, THE UNITED. This name, along with the Arabic and Syriac names, carry the idea of COMPLETION, LIKE THE COMPLETION OF A BETROTHAL. The star PROPUS means THE BRANCH SPREADING.

It looks like Gemini represents the Rapture of the Bride of Christ. She is betrothed to Christ. The Sun (i.e., Christ, "the Sun of righteousness," Mal. 4:2) is in Gemini from May 21 to June 22. Next Pentecost is Sivan 6 and 7, 5763 (June 6 and 7, 2003). I hope the Pre-Trib Rapture will take place then.

The star CANOPUS, (meaning THE POSSESSION OF HIM WHO COMETH) is in an oar of the ship ARGO (meaning, THE COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS, i.e., the Bride saints). The ship represents Christ just as Noah's Ark did. We are in Christ. His face is on the prow just above the waterline. The lion's head is on the prow above.

On Sivan 7, 5759 (May 22, 1999), the 2nd day of Pentecost, the new star, NOVA VELORUM, was seen in the sails of the ship ARGO. Now, our attention is drawn to the star CANOPUS, in the oar of the ship ARGO. I'm no prophet, but the Rapture seems near, maybe on Sivan 7, 5763 (June 7, 2003).

PS: The Anchor Cross, symbol of peace, was seen in Vela, the sails of the ship Argo on 6-9-1999.

I finally read Seiss' "SUMMARY ON GEMINI." He equates Gemini with the Rapture too. I appreciate your tip on that. Maranatha.

Is this ossuary proof of Jesus, or is it spurious?

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/james-bone-box.html

Controversial Carving: Bones box artifact discovery with "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" inscription.
This web page is a repository for information and news articles on this recent find....

Historian Jack Kilmon writes (Oct. 21, 2002):

My interpretation is this is the ossuary of James, the Just in which his bones were placed 1 year after his execution in 62 CE. Having studied perhaps 80% of all 1st century ossuarial inscriptions, it is the only one where a sibling is used as an identifier along with the father. This would only be done because the brother had some sort of prominence. This is as close as you are going to get for a birth certificate for the historical Jesus....

...the use of a brother also as an identifier on an ossuarial inscription is unprecedented and I have read 80% if 1st century ossuarial inscriptions. That the brother was prominent enough for the family to add it to the bone box AND contemporaneous with the death of James the Just is almost as good as a birth certificate, IMO. Of course there can be no certainty but this is MOST LIKELY the ossuary of the HISTORICAL brother of the HISTORICAL Jesus.

An ossuary with a dedication to Yeshua has been found

Incoming email

Re: no amount of filling will fix this
Temple Mount wall said nearing collapse
Jordanian engineering team called in to repair southern-section bulge in Jerusalem holy site.

While the holiest site in Judaism, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, is collapsing, Israel is waiting for Jordanian engineers to repair it.

A group of Jordanian engineers is due to arrive in Jerusalem next week to repair a large bulge in the 37-acre Temple Mount's southern wall, the Jerusalem Post reports today. The Temple Mount is the foundation of the Jewish Temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans....

What was a minor bulge two years ago on the south wall has widened to more than 100 feet and protrudes more than 3 feet. Meanwhile, a new bulge developed on the west wall to the right of the Wailing Wall. Dark moisture stains suggest that water seeping from a garden above is creating pressure on the wall, according to the Israeli Antiquities Authority.

The team of four engineers is currently choosing the proper material to fill the voids and cracks in the wall and will start its work "within a week," said Dr. Raef Najim, vice president of the state-run Jordanian Construction Committee, according to the Post....

My reply

> > no amount of filling will fix this

The southern wall probably won't be fixed right, but it may stand until the Day of God's Wrath. Eze. 13:9-15 says, "they have seduced my people, saying, PEACE; AND THERE WAS NO PEACE; and ONE BUILT UP A WALL, AND, LO, OTHERS DAUBED IT WITH UNTEMPERED MORTER (i.e., sand without lime, or mortar made with clay instead of slaked lime): Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower (tsunami); and ye, O great hailstones (asteroid pieces), shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. Lo, WHEN THE WALL IS FALLEN, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind IN MY FURY; and there shall be an overflowing shower (tsunami) in MINE ANGER, and great hailstones (rocks like David's slingstones felling Goliath) in my fury to consume it. So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. THUS WILL I ACCOMPLISH MY WRATH UPON THE WALL, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it."

Eze 22:24,28-31 says, "Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the DAY OF INDIGNATION (zaam, froth at the mouth fury)....And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. Therefore have I poured out MINE INDIGNATION upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of MY WRATH: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD."

Eze. 38:20 says that every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake. I take that to mean every wall of every building too.

Rev 16:17-19 says, "there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, IT IS DONE. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of THE FIERCENESS OF HIS WRATH." Agape

Incoming email, RE: anti christ

Sister, Thank you for the insight into a fairly new territory for me. Are you saying the Second Coming is imminent? How old do you think this man of sin is? Would he be the one to bring peace to Israel with the 7 yr. peace treaty. Would he be jewish? If the anti-christ was born, what kind of a birth would it be? Is it imitated as he tries to immitate God. This is so exciting. I want to know more. Please tell me more.

My reply

> > Are you saying the Second Coming is imminent?

No, but the Rapture of the wise-virgin Bride-of-Christ saints seems imminent. We will rise to meet Christ in the air.

1Th 4:14-17 says, "if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

To me, it looks like the Second Coming will be Nisan 1, 5768 (April 6, 2008). Eze. 29:17 sets the date of Nisan 1. It says, "in the first month, in the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying". That is the 1st day of the 1st month on the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Calendar. The Word of the Lord is Christ (John 1:1-3), so the "word of the LORD" coming to Ezekiel could be a clue.

Verse 21 seems to cinch it. It says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ, Isa. 44:6) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Word) in the midst of them (Israel); and they shall know that I am the LORD." Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHVH of hosts); and beside me there is no God." The Pre-incarnate Christ dealt with man in the Old Testament. The Incarnate Christ is dealing with man in the New Testament. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

Hosea 6:3 gives us another clue to the timing of not only the Second Advent, but the First Advent. It says, "the LORD (YHVH): his going forth is prepared as the morning (sun-up); and HE (YHVH, the LORD, Christ) SHALL COME unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

The Lord came to us as the former rain (starts Tishri 1) and will return as the latter rain (starts Nisan 1).

In De. 11:14, the Lord said, "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first (former) rain and the latter rain." Joel 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the FORMER RAIN (First Advent) moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month."

Tishri 1 is the first month (chodesh, new moon; i.e., first day of the month) of the Civil Calendar. Nisan 1 is the first month of the Regnal and Sacred Calendar.

> > How old do you think this man of sin is?

The Tribulation Pope is called ancient, but I don't know about the False Prophet, who is the man of sin. Isa 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon, the Tribulation Pontifex Maximus); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." He is both the 7th head of the great red dragon and the tail, because Satan is in him.

Psa 55:23 might apply to the False Prophet. It says, "But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days."

> > Would he be the one to bring peace to Israel with the 7 yr. peace treaty. Would he be jewish?

I think both THE BEAST and FALSE PROPHET will be revealed when they confirm (make stronger) the peace treaty of Dan. 9:27. I also think the False Prophet will be Jewish. How else could Jews accept him as their messiah?

> > If the anti-christ was born, what kind of a birth would it be?

Ordinary. Satan will enter into him Mid-Trib. At that time, Satan will be cast out of Heaven "into the earth" (Rev. 12:9). He will come up out of the Earth and go into the False Prophet. Rev 17:8 says, "The beast (great red dragon, i.e., Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot, the 1st son of perdition), and is not (in man at the time of the 1st Rapture); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (Mid-Trib), and go into perdition" (the 2nd son of perdition, the False Prophet).

Luke 22:3 says, "Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

John 17:12 says, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the SON OF PERDITION (Judas Iscariot); that the scripture might be fulfilled."

II Thess. 2:3 says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed, the SON OF PERDITION".

> > Is it imitated as he tries to immitate God

Not imitated as being born in a manger, but imitated by having 2 comings to power. The 1st beast of Rev. 13 comes up out of the sea (nations, Rev. 17:15). The 2nd beast comes up out of the land (i.e., Israel). Rev. 13:11 says, "I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns (2 comings to power in Israel) like a lamb (Christ), and he (the False Prophet) spake as a dragon" (Satan). Agape

Incoming email, Re: What do you think of these ideas

I came across these ideas and was wondering if you can see anything worth considering. I highlighted some things in red that I wanted you to see especially.

Three Very Important Days Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord your God at the place at which he shall choose: at the feast of unleaven bread (Passover), at the feast of weeks ( Pentecost), and at the feast of booths (Tabernacles). Deu.16:16

Rev 4:1 John was in the spirit on the Lord's day

Many refer to the Lord’s Day in Revelations 1:10 as being the sabbath. Now John, who was a Jew, would have said sabbath if that is what he meant. I thought also he may be referring to Sunday, the day he was raised, but I must consider that John may have been meaning Pentecost. The words, “Lord’s Day,” is mentioned only once in this specific way in the Bible and that is in Rev. 1:10. It is the day when the Lord said to him, “Come up hither,” Rev 4:1.

LAST TRUMP
1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I have heard it mentioned that every farmer knows when the harvest season is; as it is assumed also the harvest will be in the fall. Many reasons apply for the rapture in the fall season and among them the Feast of Trumpets. I decided to consider another meaning most do not consider.

It is said also Israel considers the First Trump as being when the Law was given at Mt. Sinai.

Exodus 19
13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.
16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

CONSIDER THE FIRST TRUMP THE LAST TRUMPET
In God’s view of things the possibility exists the First may be the Last Trumpet also. Pentecost is considered the day the Law was given. This time at Mt. Sinai was also the first mention of a trumpet in the Bible. The church started on Pentecost and may end on Pentecost. More evidence exists for a spring rapture then a fall rapture for the bride of Christ.

APOSTLE PAUL’S DESIRE TO BE IN JERUSALEM FOR PENTECOST
For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

It has always been somewhat of a puzzler why Paul was in such a hurry to be in Jerusalem for Pentecost and shorten his missionary journey. Why not Passover or one of the other feasts? Maybe this is why Paul wrote these words.

1 Thess. 5: 1, 4
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

REPEATING HISTORY
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. Acts 2:1

Just as all of Israel stood before God at Mt. Sinai at Pentecost, the company of disciples were all in one place on Pentecost. Could it be on that glorious day the church will be all in one place on Pentecost? Agape

My reply

> > Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord your God at the place at which he shall choose: at the feast of unleaven bread (Passover), at the feast of weeks ( Pentecost), and at the feast of booths (Tabernacles). Deu.16:16

The place he chose was Jerusalem, and they were to go up to Jerusalem. That fits New Jerusalem too. Ezr 1:3 says, "Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him GO UP TO JERUSALEM, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem."

They were to go up to Jerusalem at the time of Passover so they would witness the Crucifixion. R.B. Thieme would probably say that Jesus bought us from the slave market of sin on Passover.

The next time they were to go up to Jerusalem, on Pentecost, could be the Pre-Trib Rapture. Song of Solomon 2:10-14 sounds like the time of Pentecost. Winter is past. The latter rains of Nisan are over. The turtledoves arrive in April and leave in October. There are spring flowers on the hills. The grapes are in blossom and give a good smell. "Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away" sounds like the Rapture too.

During Passion Week, it was not yet the time for ripe figs. Mark 11:13 says, "seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet."

By Pentecost, "The fig tree putteth forth her green figs." The time for singing has come, probably referring to the "new song" the saints will sing after the Rapture (Rev. 5:9). That Song 2:14 mentions "the secret of the stairs" reminds me of Jacob's Ladder. One end was on Earth, the other was in Heaven. Angels ascended and descended on it. Song 2:14 mentions his "dove, that art in the clefts of the rock" (i.e., in Christ). Jacob named the place of the rock he used for a pillow Bethel, meaning the house of God. He said, "this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven" (Gen. 28:17). The gate of Heaven sounds like the door of Heaven in Rev. 4:1. It ties in pretty well.

If the 1st Rapture was on Pentecost, the 2nd Rapture on Trumpets later on, the whole Body of Christ could rejoice in the heavenly New Jerusalem on the joyous Feast of Tabernacles after the harvest has been brought in.

> > Many refer to the Lord’s Day in Revelations 1:10 as being the sabbath. Now John, who was a Jew, would have said sabbath if that is what he meant. I thought also he may be referring to Sunday, the day he was raised, but I must consider that John may have been meaning Pentecost. The words, “Lord’s Day,” is mentioned only once in this specific way in the Bible and that is in Rev. 1:10. It is the day when the Lord said to him, “Come up hither.”

I used to think it meant Sunday, but now it seems more likely to refer to the first of the two days of the Son of Man in Luke 17:22. Speaking to ones left behind at the 1st Rapture, it says, "The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one (the 1st Rapture) of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it."

> > It is said also Israel considers the First Trump as being when the Law was given at Mt. Sinai.

Yes, they sound the "First Trump" at Pentecost, the "Last Trump" on the Feast of Trumpets, and the "Great Trump" on the Day of Atonement.

> > CONSIDER THE FIRST TRUMP THE LAST TRUMPET
> > In God’s view of things the possibility exists the First may be the Last Trumpet also.
To me, that sounds impossible. For one trump of God to need to be designated the "last trump," a first "trump of God" is necessary.

Num 10:2-4 gives us the prototype. It says, "Make thee TWO TRUMPETS OF SILVER; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (plural, i.e., both), ALL the assembly ("all," I Cor. 15:51,52) shall assemble themselves to thee at the DOOR (as in Rev. 3:8) of the tabernacle (ohel, dwelling place) of the congregation. And if they blow but with one trumpet (i.e., the first trump), then the princes (nasiy, rulers, kings, i.e., elders), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather (yaad, TO ENGAGE FOR MARRIAGE, BETROTH) themselves unto thee."

When the first trump sounds, the princes (elders) of Israel, the 12 patriarchs, Jacob's sons, and the 12 apostles will sit on 24 thrones in Heaven (Rev. 4:4). They are the Representatives of the Bride of Christ caught up with John in Rev. 4:1. The Representatives are all of one nation, Israel. The rest of the Bride group gathered at the 1st trump are saints "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation."

Rev 5:8-10 says, "saints. And they sung a new song (only sung by the Bride), saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth."

The only other group to be added to the Bride group at the "last trump" is the 144,000 Israelites. In Rev. 14:3-5, they are the only ones that can sing the new song, because they are virgins without fault before the throne of God.

When the "last trump" of God is sounded for the Rapture of the Tribulation saints, the first "trump of God" is blown again. The angels will gather the Bride saints from "one end of heaven to the other."

Mat 24:30,31 says, "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (This is 7 months before the Second Advent, Eze. 39:12,13). And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

At the same time, the "last trump" of God will call the Tribulation saints up to Heaven. Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

At the first trump, the Bride of Christ are told to "Come up hither." At the Rapture of the Tribulation saints, the #1 trump sounds again to call the heavenly Bride to the "general assembly" in Heaven (Heb. 12:23). Then the "last trump" calls the Tribulation saints up from Earth to the General Assembly in Heaven. There is no way I can see to combine the first and last trumps.

> > Pentecost is considered the day the Law was given. This time at Mt. Sinai was also the first mention of a trumpet in the Bible.

The first mention of anything can be very important.

> > The church started on Pentecost and may end on Pentecost. More evidence exists for a spring rapture then a fall rapture for the bride of Christ.

I agree.

> > APOSTLE PAUL’S DESIRE TO BE IN JERUSALEM FOR PENTECOST

This may mean that the elders and the rest of the Bride group will be in New Jerusalem for Pentecost.

> > Just as all of Israel stood before God at Mt. Sinai at Pentecost, the company of disciples were all in one place on Pentecost. Could it be on that glorious day the church will be all in one place on Pentecost?

I sure hope so....Agape

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