Pro and Con 982

Posted 12-21-02

What did God really say to Dr. Eby?

From: Jim Bramlett - 12-23-02

Most people are aware of the amazing story of Dr. Richard E. Eby, former obstetrician and professor, now about 91-92 years old.

He fell off a balcony in Chicago in 1972, actually splattered his brains, clinically died and had an out-of-body experience with the Lord in heaven before he was sent back. In 1977 he had another encounter with the Lord at Lazarus' tomb in Israel, when God showed him what hell is like. The Lord gave him a commission, saying, as recorded in one of his books, "You are to go tell them! Tell them! Tell them! I have brought you here to reveal to you my commission.... I am returning soon to receive my Body of believers, and I want you to tell people about those things I showed you in heaven and hell. I want you to show them the choice they must make between Me.... and Satan. I will return for you and my Body of believers before you can complete this commission. I am returning soon!"

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Most of us have always thought this message meant that Dr Eby would not die before the rapture, and apparently Eby has thought that. That may still be true. However, Eby's close friend and my friend, Rev. Ron Patterson, thinks that it may have a different meaning. I believe we should be open to this possibility.

I spoke with Ron yesterday and learned that a year or so ago, before Eby's health deteriorated so badly, Ron had a chance to sit down and talk with him at length. Ron asked him to repeat his experiences to him, and precisely what he actually heard the Lord say.

Eby told Ron that the Lord told him that He is going to use his life span as an indicator, or an example, so that people will know when He is coming. Ron says that Eby always interpreted that as meaning the rapture will happen before he dies. But he asked Ron, "What do you think it means?"

At the time, Ron said he was not sure, but in the last few days he believes God may be giving him some new insight. Ron says that he is not certain, but because of the wording Dr. Eby described, he thinks it is a distinct possibility that Dr. Eby's life is like that of Methuselah, the son of Enoch. There are different possible meanings to Methuselah's name, but one meaning is, "When he dies, judgment." Methuselah's life was an indicator of God's coming judgment. This judgment was delayed as long as Methuselah was alive, but as soon as he died, God's judgment came via the Flood (from which Noah and his family were saved, in a type of the rapture, as with Lot).

Ron believes it may be possible that based on the exact wording Dr. Eby reports that he heard, he may not live to see the rapture but the end of his life may be a major sign of the rapture and judgment just afterward.

Ron says that in his books, Dr. Eby honestly gave the best possible description and explanation for his experience as he understood it at the time. Again, it is not clear, and it is possible that the rapture may occur before Dr. Eby dies, Ron says. But if he does die, Ron emphasizes, we will know that we are really "at the door," and it will confirm the new understanding just described.

We should be prepared for any eventuality. I have not spoken with Dr. Eby and I do not know anyone who has, but I did see a report the other day that his health has further deteriorated badly and he may not have much longer.

By the way, the Bible Encyclopedia says that Methuselah was the oldest man of whom we have any record. This very ancient man lived before the Flood, and died at the age of 969 years, in the year of the Flood (Gen. 5:21-27; 1 Chr. 1:3). This fact, plus the possible meaning of his name, suggests that Methuselah's very godly father, Enoch, received a prophecy from God when his son was born, thus the name. Methuselah's great age may be further evidence of God's " the days of Noah" (1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 3:9). Methuselah's name is mentioned seven times in the Bible

Missile launch

This was the Minuteman III missile launch from Vandenberg AFB (in CA) on 9-19-02 (Tishri 13, 5763). The vapor trail might or might not say 2003, but the launch took place after the Jewish Year 5763 began on our Sept. 7, 2002. It will end Sept. 29, 2003.

More obvious than the 2003, the picture in the sky seems to show that the serpent can't catch the dove. The dove is flying away fast. It made me think of the Rapture, because the Bride of Christ is called a dove in Song of Solomon 2:8-15.

It says, "The voice of my beloved! behold, he (Solomon, son of David, i.e., type of Christ, Son of David) cometh (at the Rapture, the Bride of Christ meets him in the clouds) leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills. My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, HE STANDETH BEHIND OUR WALL (the Western, or Wailing Wall?), he looketh forth at the windows, SHEWING HIMSELF THROUGH THE LATTICE (a male face does show up on the Wailing Wall). My beloved (Christ) spake, and said unto me, RISE UP (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture), my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain (latter rain of Nisan) is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds ('of birds' is not in the original; this is more like singing the new song, Rev. 5:9, after the Rapture) is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land (April - Oct.); The fig tree putteth forth her green figs (Passion Week was not the time of figs; Mark 11:15: ' the time of figs was not yet'), and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. O my DOVE, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in the secret places of the stairs ('places' is not in the original; it's the secret of the stairs, like Jacob's Ladder that went from Earth to Heaven), let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely....our vines have tender grapes."

Incoming email, Re: surprise comet
Surprise Comet Streaks Into Solar System

12-19-02 Astronomers have received a holiday bonanza in the form of the arrival of a previously unknown comet that has entered our part of the solar system.

The comet was discovered by a Japanese amateur astronomer, Tetuo Kudo, early on the morning of December 14, said Clay Sherrod, an astronomer with the Arkansas Sky laboratory.... (However, it was Dec. 13, 2002, see P and C 983. Fujikawa found it on the 14th).

Named Kudo-Fujikawa (and officially designated C/2002 X5), the comet is moving east-southeast through the constellation HERCULES.

"In mid- to late-January (2003) the comet will be favorably placed for early risers in the northern hemisphere and will probably be VISIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE, at least toward the end of that month,"....

Much of what Earth will be able to see of Kudo-Fujikawa is contingent on the activity that occurs when it is closest to its pass by the sun (perihelion) on January 28, 2003, Sherrod said. At that point it will be only 16 million miles (25 million kilometers) from the sun. The average distance of the Earth from the sun is 93 million miles (150 million kilometers).

"The retrograde orbit (meaning the comet is coming in at an opposite direction in relation to the orbits of the primary planets) of this comet and its close pass from the sun at that time have suggested to many, myself included, that the comet might potentially break up from solar radiation and solar wind.

My reply


There's that 2003 again. The fast-moving comet, Kudo, is now in HERCULES (THE BRANCH KNEELING, i.e., Christ kneeling, because one heel has been bruised). In Gen. 3:15, the LORD God is speaking to the serpent (Satan). It says, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed (the False Prophet) and her seed (Jesus); it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

To the Egyptians, Hercules is BAU (THE ONE WHO COMETH). Since Hercules represents Christ, the Lamb of God, it is very significant that he is wearing sheepskin. His unhurt foot is bruising the head of Draco, the Dragon too. The brightest star in Hercules, appropriately in his forehead, is in Arabic, Ras-al-gethi, THE HEAD OF HIM WHO BRUISES. That is Christ.

(The fast-moving comet was seen in BOOTES on Dec. 13.) It's appearance in HERCULES (on Dec. 16) seems like a sign that Christ will be coming soon. It's interesting that this comet will be closest to the Sun on January 28, 2003. Will war with Iraq start about then? Will the Rapture be in 2003? Maranatha.

From 5 Doves site

Mark Rouleau (20 Dec 2002)
"U.S. Decision on war could come by February"

U.S. official: Decision on war could come by February Arms inspector Blix to tell U.N. that Iraq's report incomplete Thursday, December 19, 2002

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Convinced that Baghdad has failed to give a complete account of its chemical and biological weapons program, the White House is pointing to a late-January to mid-February time frame for making a decision on possible war with Iraq, a senior U.S. official told CNN....

Officials said Bush also was planning to outline some of his views on Iraq during a White House meeting Friday with the Quartet, the group composed of the UNITED STATES, RUSSIA, THE EUROPEAN UNION AND THE UNITED NATIONS that is trying to find a path toward a renewed Middle East peace process.

Incoming email, Re: "Fresh Understanding..."

> > Yes, I know who he is. I exchanged e-mail with Jim Searcy soon after I got on the Web. I strongly disagree with his belief that we are going to go through the Tribulation. Did you notice how few times he even mentioned scriptures, much less tried to use scriptures to back up his beliefs?

Marilyn, Yes I did notice that he rarely uses Scripture to back up his statements. My Daughter brought this web site to my attention. I think it is unfortunate because many people don't know or understand the word of God and can be deceived. Im thankful that my children compare everything with the word. Then we discuss the matter and then we send it to you. My family, Mother, and daughters and sister all read your site and think you a teacher in the Masters footsteps, Jesus. Thank you Marilyn!

My reply

Gee! Thank you! It is nice to be appreciated. Ed said that he could hardly believe what I have done by reading the Bible.

I really don't deserve the credit, though. I asked the Lord to help me understand the Bible, all the deep things, everything he wanted man to know about it. I also asked him what he wanted me to do. He led me to this, something totally unknown c. 1960. I just trusted him to let me know what he wanted me to do and kept studying. The first inkling of what I should do was when I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2, saying to publish and conceal not.

I softly said, "Ok, I'll continue to study and write, but you'll have to help with the publishing, I don't know anything about that." He did, Avon Books called me about mass market paperback rights. I didn't even think of contacting them on a first book. In the end, they printed all three books.

When I was working to finish my 3rd book, Ed kept saying, "I think you should be on the Internet." I explained that I had to finish the book first, or it would never get finished.

Once it was finished, I couldn't believe the speed Ed got me into this. He took me down to the mall and signed me up at Internet in the Mall right then. The Lord must have used him to get me right where he wanted me.

I had never heard of HTML code and the books were around $49, which we couldn't afford. Not really knowing what I was doing, somehow, I managed to find an HTML guide and a color chart online. I was told by the salesman at Internet in the Mall to go to Tucows (now Twocows, I think) and DL an HTML Editor and a FTP client program. I did, and within a month had my Web Page up. I finally did get a book on HTML when a store was going out of business, but to this day, I still do the simplest HTML, but it will do. I don't need more.

I got stumped on how to put in a picture. The salesman sent me to someone upstairs in the mall, who could give me the HTML for that.

I didn't agonize over a name for the Web site or the Pro and Cons. Those things just flew into my brain as I typed.

I made a logo for the site, but someone nice offered to make me a better one. He made the ProCon Logo for that Index too and set up the HTML for it. I was sure thankful. I couldn't have set up that table.

The Lord is good to us, and many people have been so good to us, we are astonished. We had our retirement money taken away from us by a con artist selling bogus investment securities. The Feds caught him and told Ed to not feel bad, the man was very good at what he did. He had cheated people out of $13 million. After our Bankruptcy, the judge wouldn't let us keep the car we had, and we couldn't see our way clear to even keep the house. However, our daughter worked at Ford a short time and helped us get a car.

I didn't want to move. Our son and I have bad backs. Ed has had 5-bypass heart surgery and can't lift heavy things. He's diabetic and is in the early stages of Parkinson's Disease and walks with tiny steps and a cane. Now, I'm diabetic too. However, here we are, still in the house. It is miraculous. We are so thankful for all of you and our many blessings. The Lord is wonderful. Happy holidays. Agape

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