Pro and Con 984

Posted 12-27-02

Incoming email, Re: What did God really say to Dr. Eby?

From: Jim Bramlett, 12-23-02

Most people are aware of the amazing story of Dr. Richard E. Eby, former obstetrician and professor, now about 91-92 years old.

He fell off a balcony in Chicago in 1972, actually splattered his brains, clinically died and had an out-of-body experience with the Lord in heaven before he was sent back. In 1977 he had another encounter with the Lord at Lazarus' tomb in Israel, when God showed him what hell is like. The Lord gave him a commission, saying, as recorded in one of his books, "You are to go tell them! Tell them! Tell them! I have brought you here to reveal to you my commission.... I am returning soon to receive my Body of believers, and I want you to tell people about those things I showed you in heaven and hell. I want you to show them the choice they must make between Me.... and Satan. I will return for you and my Body of believers before you can complete this commission. I am returning soon!"

More details are at

Most of us have always thought this message meant that Dr Eby would not die before the rapture, and apparently Eby has thought that. That may still be true. However, Eby's close friend and my friend, Rev. Ron Patterson, thinks that it may have a different meaning. I believe we should be open to this possibility.

I spoke with Ron yesterday and learned that a year or so ago, before Eby's health deteriorated so badly, Ron had a chance to sit down and talk with him at length. Ron asked him to repeat his experiences to him, and precisely what he actually heard the Lord say.

Eby told Ron that the Lord told him that He is going to use his life span as an indicator, or an example, so that people will know when He is coming. Ron says that Eby always interpreted that as meaning the rapture will happen before he dies. But he asked Ron, "What do you think it means?"

At the time, Ron said he was not sure, but in the last few days he believes God may be giving him some new insight. Ron says that he is not certain, but because of the wording Dr. Eby described, he thinks it is a distinct possibility that Dr. Eby's life is like that of Methuselah, the son of Enoch. There are different possible meanings to Methuselah's name, but one meaning is, "When he dies, judgment." Methuselah's life was an indicator of God's coming judgment. This judgment was delayed as long as Methuselah was alive, but as soon as he died, God's judgment came via the Flood (from which Noah and his family were saved, in a type of the rapture, as with Lot).

Ron believes it may be possible that based on the exact wording Dr. Eby reports that he heard, he may not live to see the rapture but the end of his life may be a major sign of the rapture and judgment just afterward.

Ron says that in his books, Dr. Eby honestly gave the best possible description and explanation for his experience as he understood it at the time. Again, it is not clear, and it is possible that the rapture may occur before Dr. Eby dies, Ron says. But if he does die, Ron emphasizes, we will know that we are really "at the door," and it will confirm the new understanding just described.

We should be prepared for any eventuality. I have not spoken with Dr. Eby and I do not know anyone who has, but I did see a report the other day that his health has further deteriorated badly and he may not have much longer.

By the way, the Bible Encyclopedia says that Methuselah was the oldest man of whom we have any record. This very ancient man lived before the Flood, and died at the age of 969 years, in the year of the Flood (Gen. 5:21-27; 1 Chr. 1:3). This fact, plus the possible meaning of his name, suggests that Methuselah's very godly father, Enoch, received a prophecy from God when his son was born, thus the name. Methuselah's great age may be further evidence of God's " the days of Noah" (1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 3:9). Methuselah's name is mentioned seven times in the Bible Jim

My comment

Strong's has Methuselah, man of a dart. Somewhere I found "when he is dead it will be sent," but can't remember where.

Incoming email, FLASH: Dr. Richard Eby passes on

From: Jim Bramlett 12-27-02

I have just received an unconfirmed report that Dr. Richard Eby went to be with the Lord yesterday, December 26, 2002.

This will come as a great disappointment to many because of the belief that the rapture would occur while Eby was still alive, based on his own testimony. However, that is probably why, with amazing timing, God gave us new insight on what Eby really heard from the Lord as shared by Rev. Ron Patterson on December 23, just three days before Eby's death, which I will repeat below.

Incoming email, Re: getting rid of an email without clicking on it

You don't need to mail it to yourself. Just click on the email above, shift click on the email below, and they all get selected and then moved to the deleted folder. You can go to the deleted folder and return the 2 above and below to your inbox if you want. This leaves the suspect file in the deleted folder. Then delete the suspect file permanently with the same procedure.

This way you have deleted it without ever clicking on it.

My reply

Thanks. I deleted this, clicked reply, and can still answer it right from the Deleted folder. That's great. I will still need to go online and mail myself something if the virus is the last e-mail to come in, as was the case last time. Happy Holidays. Agape

The Earth companion asteroid 3753 Cruithne

I have been involved in an a study, in collaboration with Kim Innanen (York) and Seppo Mikkola (Turku), of near-Earth asteroids. During this research, we discovered that the Earth has a companion asteroid. If you would like to know more about asteroid 3753 Cruithne, you can visit its home page here:
Near-Earth asteroid 3753 Cruithne
Earth's curious companion, by Paul Wiegert

The near-Earth asteroid 3753 Cruithne is now known to be a companion, and an unusual one, of the Earth. This asteroid shares the Earth's orbit, its motion "choreographed" in such a way as to remain stable and avoid colliding with our planet. This relationship was revealed in a paper by Paul Wiegert, Kim Innanen and Seppo Mikkola, and published in the British-based science journal Nature on June 12, 1997. A brief non-technical description of the motion of Cruithne is presented below. However, Cruithne's path is much more complicated than simple satellite motion; pondering the diagrams carefully should help clarify matters. Note: small images have been used to ensure fast downloading; click on any figure for a larger, clearer image.
(Sept 18 2001) There are now two more near-Earth asteroids known to be currently in resonant states similar to those of Cruithne. These are 1998 UP1 and 2000 PH5. We are currently in the process of preparing these results for publishing. Look for more information on these fascinating new asteroids soon.
The motion of asteroid 3753 Cruithne

Near-Earth asteroids (or NEAs) are our closest neighbours in the Solar System - some of these objects have been known to pass closer to the Earth than the Moon. These objects, which range in size from 30-40 km (eg. 1036 Ganymed and 433 Eros) to a few metres, are important to our understanding of past and present Earth impact rates, and are likely to prove useful as bases and/or mineral sources as humans move into near-Earth space. The near-Earth asteroid 3753 Cruithne is in an unusual orbit about that of the Earth, one which is known in the lingo of celestial mechanics as being co-orbital with the Earth (meaning it shares the Earth's orbit with it) and, more particularly, as being of the "horseshoe" type. Horseshoe orbits are named because of their shape in a reference frame which corotates with their accompanying planet, and have been known theoretically for many years. A corotating frame just means one in which the viewer orbits along with one of the planets, in this case the Earth. It is analogous to imagining oneself floating above the north pole of the Earth as our planet goes around its orbit, and watching the path the asteroid from this vantage point. By looking at the asteroid in this way its unusual behaviour becomes apparent: it is much more difficult to distinguish when viewed in a non-rotating frame....

The correct pronunciation for 'Cruithne' is 'croo-een-ya'. The emphasis should be on the -een. See the article online. There are other diagrams and explanations.

Incoming email, Re: US ready to unleash weapons, the Washington Times

More on the precision weapons, far superior to Desert Storm, that will be used against Iraq this time:

Jeremiah 50:9 "For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain."

My reply

Thanks. This is the best article of its kind I have seen. I am glad I went online and read the whole thing.
US ready to unleash weapons
By Rowan Scarborough

The Army plans to quickly deploy its new Shadow 200 spy plane if the United States goes to war against Iraq.

In the Persian Gulf, the Navy has America's newest attack jet the F-18 Super Hornet ready for its first extended wartime action.

The Air Force is planning a swarming air campaign against Saddam Hussein that would utilize new ways to use precision-guided munitions.

In all, the military would bring a new array of weapons, infrared sensors and communications gear to any conflict to change the regime in Baghdad. The new gadgets promise to make the war quicker and less bloody than Desert Storm a decade ago, military analysts say.

"A major factor will be precision weapons, and they are far superior today to the ones in Desert Storm. It's unbelievable," said retired Rear Adm. Phillip Smith, a former P-3 Orion pilot. "I think militarily we will be successful in not too much time. I'm not one of those who thinks we can do it in three days, like I recently read."

Added Claude Bolton Jr., the Army's assistant secretary for acquisition and logistics, "We have more firepower."

In an interview, Mr. Bolton listed battlefield improvements made during the last decade. He spoke of the emerging Shadow surveillance drone, better night vision gear, a new communication network called "Force 21 Battle Command, Brigade and Below," and an improved model of the Apache tank-killing helicopter....

Proof lacking in baby cloning

Incoming email, Re: Heave offering

I want to thank you Marilyn for helping me to understand that indeed there are two raptures. I have only been reading your site for about two years now and I have gone from a cautious believer to a full-fledged believer in the two raptures. Recently I finished reading a book about the earthly temple in the wilderness to learn more about why God does what he does, and it was because of your site (and your book, Heaven Found) that I understood just why there are these two particular offerings made by the Priest in the tabernacle.

The two offerings that I am referring to are the wave offering and the heave offering. I am sure that you have thought of this but the thought is new to me and I am excited about it. The wave offering is part of the "first fruit" offering of grain and it is so light that it can be waved over the head.

The "heave offering" is much too heavy to be waved over the head since it is a heavy part of the sacrificed animal (the shoulder, I think). This tells me also along with your insights, of the two raptures. One is light, the pre-trib rapture of the Bride, the few, and one is heavy, more than can be numbered at the pre-wrath rapture. Thank you Marilyn for helping us to understand God's word more and more each day and thank you dear Lord Jesus for giving Marilyn such a gift!

My reply

I appreciate your kind words, but you are one up on me here. I can't remember ever studying the difference between wave and heave. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

What you said about the sheaf makes sense. Lev 23:10,11 says, "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits (abib barley, beginning of harvest season) representing the resurrection of Christ on the Feast of Firstfruits) of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall WAVE (5130 nuwph, official undulating of sacrifice offerings) the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall WAVE (5130, undulate) it.

The word "wave" is used with both the abib barley and the wave-breast sacrifice. Why? Christ is the Firstfruit of the First Resurrection. The abib barley represented Him on the Feast of Firstfruits. The wise virgins of the First Rapture are the next rank (tagmati, I Cor. 15:23) in the First Resurrection. The 144,000 Israelite wise virgins and the foolish virgins of the Second Rapture are all to be caught up at the "last trump" of God (I Cor. 15:51,52).

Waving suggests eagles flapping their wings to fly to their nest on high. Exo 19:4 says, "Ye have seen what I did (brought plagues) unto the Egyptians, and how I BARE YOU ON EAGLES' WINGS, AND BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF." That seems to suggest the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Heaving suggests the Tribulation saints being brought as a present to the Lord. Isa 18:3-7 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (UN flag) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet (the 'last trump' of God, I Cor. 15:51,52), hear ye. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest (the Pre-Wrath Rapture is on the 1st day of the 'sabbatismos,' Heb. 4:9, i.e., the Millennium), and I will consider (nabat, see with pleasure) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST (prior to the vintage of Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets, time of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, is PENTECOST, the spring PRE-TRIB RAPTURE), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off (karath, originally, by cutting flesh and passing between the pieces, i.e., as when sealing the Abrahamic covenant, Gen. 15:17) the sprigs (the fruitful branches, the wise virgins) with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (at the Pre-Trib Rapture) and cut down the branches (the unfruitful branches, i.e., the foolish virgins). THEY SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls (ayit, birds of prey) of the mountains (kingdoms), and to the beasts (the Beast and False Prophet, Rev. 13) of the earth: and the fowls (birds of prey) shall SUMMER (quwts, a primitive root; TO CLIP OFF, to spend the harvest season, summer) upon them (following the spring Rapture), and all the beasts (the Beast, False Prophet and 10 kings) of the earth shall WINTER (charaph, a primitive root; TO PULL OFF, to spend the winter:--betroth [as if a surrender], blaspheme, reproach, upbraid) upon them. In that time shall the PRESENT be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people (Israelites) scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers (nahar, streams, including the Mediterranean, floods) have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts (Yeshua/Christ, Isa. 44:6), the mount Zion."

Below are scriptures that use both "wave" and "heave"

Lev. 10:14,15 says, "the WAVE (8573 tnuwphah, from 5130 nuwph, official undulating of sacrifice offerings) BREAST and HEAVE (8641, truwmah, a PRESENT offered up) SHOULDER shall ye eat in a clean place; thou, and thy sons, and thy daughters with thee: for they be thy due, and thy sons' due, which are given out of the sacrifices of peace offerings of the children of Israel. The HEAVE (8641, a present offered up) shoulder and the WAVE (8573 undulating of sacrifice offerings) breast shall they bring with the offerings made by fire of the fat, to WAVE (5130 nuwph, official undulating of sacrifice offerings) it for a WAVE (8573 undulating of sacrifice offerings) offering before the LORD; and it shall be thine, and thy sons' with thee, by a statute for ever; as the LORD hath commanded."

Ex. 29:27,28 says, "thou shalt sanctify the BREAST of the WAVE offering (8573, undulating of sacrifice offerings), and the SHOULDER of the HEAVE offering (8641, a PRESENT offered up), which is WAVED (5130, official undulating of sacrifice offerings), and which is HEAVED up (7131, ruwm, lifted up), of the ram of the consecration, even of that which is for Aaron, and of that which is for his sons: And it shall be Aaron's and his sons' by a statute for ever from the children of Israel: for it is an HEAVE (8641, a present, as offered up) offering: and it shall be an HEAVE (8641, a present, as offered up) offering from the children of Israel of the sacrifice of their peace offerings, even their HEAVE offering (8641, a PRESENT, as offered up) unto the LORD."

It looks like the sheaf represents Christ's resurrection, the wave breast the 1st Rapture and the heave shoulder the 2nd Rapture. See what you think. Agape

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