Pro and Con 985

Posted 1-1-03

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(Someone) asked, "What is your take on when the 7 year time period for Israel to bury the weapons of Gog? Do you think that will be after Jesus comes down as King and saves Israel?"

Well, before I answer about the 7 year timeframe for burning the weapons, let's address which war this is in. It is NOT after the war of Gog and Magog. It is after Armageddon, which is the LAST war before the Second Coming of Christ. As I explain it below, you will see how it scripturally fits in the Timeline.

Do you remember what I had written about the three weeks of Jacob's Trouble and the parallel with (what was - shall be)? In the Old Testament, we see Laban contract with Jacob for Rachel. In the first "Week of Jacob's Trouble - 7 years" Jacob works within a lied-to-agreement for the desire of Jacob's heart, Rachel. In 1993 we saw Laban/Arafat contract with Jacob/Israel for the desire of Israel's heart - PEACE. It was a lied to agreement, the Oslo Accords. Just as Laban lied to Jacob, knowing it was their custom to never have the younger daughter marry before the older....Arafat never intended to honor the agreement either - as proof the Palestinians have NEVER removed the clause in their Palestinian Charter that calls for the total destruction of Israel! However, this first "week of 7 years" is referred to as the seven good years, for there was the HOPE of achieving the desire of Rachel/Peace.

Then, in the Second Week of Jacob's Trouble, we see the beginning of 7 "bad years"..... Jacob is struggling to still earn the desire of his heart, but it is bitter. At the end of the first week &the start of the bad Week we watched as Ariel Sharon marched onto the Temple Mount and the Palestinians kicked off their Intifada - the Palestinian Uprising - the suicide bombers and shootings and terror began in all out earnest. ON THE VERY DAY WHICH BEGAN THE SECOND WEEK OF SEVEN BAD YEARS - ROSH HASHANA, 2000 - the second 7 years started. What is significant about this is we know that Scripture says "Jacob will be saved out of his trouble". We are now in that second week of Jacob's Trouble and we will see Jacob/Israel SAVED OUT OF IT! How? With the coming of the Messiah!!! Right now it is the ONLY thing that will bring true peace!

This second week of Jacob's Trouble corresponds perfectly with the ending of the "40 year generation that shall see all of these things and shall not pass, as did the first generation of Israel out of Egypt, which wandered in the wilderness until all those who were 20 and upward when they came out of Egypt were dead. THAT generation was not allowed to enter the promised land - but this generation, which began in 1967 with the reunifying of Jerusalem in the Six-Day War WILL indeed enter the promised land - the Kingdom of Heaven promised them long ago! Is it a coincidence that Israel had just turned 20 years old when the Six-Day War began, when they "came of age" and reunified Jerusalem for the first time in 2,000 years?

This was the benchmark that identified it as "the generation that would not pass till all things be fulfilled." This generation ends in June, 2007 --- that prophecy must be completely fulfilled before the Messiah comes. It will be. For shortly after this, "when summer is nigh", He will return and then on Rosh HaShana, 2007

My reply

> > Israel had just turned 20 years old when the Six-Day War began

Israel was still 19 years old. The war ended June 10, 1967, before Israel was 20 on May 14, 1968 (May 14, 1948 + 20 = May 14, 1968). If she had been 20, she would be counted as the generation that DIED in the wilderness.

Mt. 24:32 says, "learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting) is yet tender (apalos, the branch of the tree when full of sap; i.e., young, no more than 19 years old), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank), ye know that summer is nigh." The Six-Day War began June 5; summer began June 21.

> > We are now in that second week of Jacob's Trouble

The Time of Jacob's Trouble is one literal day, when the False Prophet will "come to his end." Dan 11:45-12-2 says, "he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas (Mediterranean and Dead seas) in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall COME TO HIS END, and none shall help him. And at that time (when he comes to his end) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people (Israelites): and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time (the DAY of God's Wrath) thy people shall be delivered (malat, ESCAPE, i.e., in the Pre-Wrath Rapture), every one that shall be found written in the book (including the 144,000 of Rev. 7). And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake."

> > before I answer about the 7 year timeframe for burning the weapons, let's address which war this is in. It is NOT after the war of Gog and Magog. It is after Armageddon, which is the LAST war before the Second Coming of Christ.

Eze. 38:20 is the end of the war of Gog and Magog. It is the Day of God's Wrath, the Day of Destruction. The earthquake is worldwide. Every wall of every building falls. Civilization as we know it is destroyed.

Eze. 38:19,20 says, "in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE AT MY PRESENCE (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man of Mt. 24:30), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground."

Eze. 38 tells about the Gog and Magog War. Eze. 39:11-13 tells us of Israel burying the bodies from the Gog and Magog War to cleanse the land for the return of Christ. The cemetery is for Gog's troops in the "valley of HAMONGOG (which means the multitude of Gog)."

Eze 39:11-13 says, "it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto GOG a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury GOG and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of HAMONGOG. And SEVEN MONTHS (Tishri 1 to Nisan 1 in a Jewish Leap Year) shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1, Eze. 29:19,21; Hos. 6:3), saith the Lord GOD."

The War of Armageddon is between Christ's army and Satan's army. Therefore, Armageddon is after Christ returns 7 months after the Gog and Magog War.

> > Scripture says "Jacob will be saved out of his trouble". We are now in that second week of Jacob's Trouble and we will see Jacob/Israel SAVED OUT OF IT! How? With the coming of the Messiah!!! Right now it is the ONLY thing that will bring true peace!

The Pre-Trib Rapture will save believers out of it before the asteroids impact Earth at noon on the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Kingdom of Christ. In Heaven, that will be Christ's Coronation Day. Following that will be the Judgment Seat of Christ. All saints will be in Heaven then. Rev. 11:16-18 says that the elders "fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (on Coronation Day), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (seven months later at the Second Advent); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, SMALL AND GREAT; and shouldest destroy (it's the Day of Destruction) them which destroy the earth."

> > This second week of Jacob's Trouble corresponds perfectly with the ending of the "40 year generation that shall see all of these things and shall not pass

I seems to be marked precisely. I think the exact beginning of the literal Day of Jacob's Trouble is when the Jewish 5767 passes away, and Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007), the Feast of Trumpets, begins. At the 1st trumpet, the hail of burning stones sets all the trees and all the green grass afire. At the 2nd trumpet, the asteroid, the "great mountain burning with fire" (Rev. 8:8) will be cast into the Mediterranean Sea.

> > "the generation that would not pass till all things be fulfilled." This generation ends in June, 2007

In April, before the Crucifixion, Jesus told the Pharisees, "Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION" (Mt. 23:36). That was spoken during Passover week, in the 1st month (Nisan) in 30 AD. The temple was not destroyed until Av 10 in 70 AD, so the last generation of Mt. 24:32-34 does not have to end in June.

From when Jesus came to Bethany on the Mt. of Olives on Nisan 8 in 30 AD to Av 10 in 70 AD was 40 years (30 AD + 40 = 70) plus an additional 120 days (Nisan 8 to Av 10 = 120 days).

From Iyar 28, 5727 (June 7, 1967, when Israel took the temple mount) to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007, the Day of God's Wrath) is 40 years, plus an additional 120 days.

> > "the generation that would not pass till all things be fulfilled." This generation ends in June, 2007 --- that prophecy must be completely fulfilled before the Messiah comes. It will be. For shortly after this, "when summer is nigh", He will return and on Rosh HaShana 2007 He will be crowned Lord of Lords and King of Kings!

I think Jesus will be crowned in Heaven on Rosh HaShannah, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). He will not return to Earth for the next 7 months during which the bodies in Israel are buried. I expect him to return to Earth on the 1st day of the Jewish Regnal Year, Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008).

The date is set in Eze. 29:17. The first day of the first month is Nisan 1. Then v. 20 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (i.e., Jesus, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Hos. 6:3 agrees. It says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." He came as the former rain (Tishri 1) the 1st time. He will return as the latter rain (Nisan 1), the 2nd time.

> > Now all of this, of course, necessitates believing one more thing - that there is NO 7-year tribulation as we have always thought! If we are in the Second Week of Jacob's Trouble, and Israel will be "saved out of it", and we are soon to be in 2003, and the SEcond Coming is in 2007, then there obviously is not 7 years left....we look to Scripture to see how this will be so. The answer is found in Jesus' Words that "In the Days of Noe, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be."...that means the correlation between the flood of Noah's day and the flood of judgment in Revelation is the same - ONE YEAR!....."one year in the life of Noah"......anniversary to anniversary!

It seems to me that the days of Noah apply to the Rapture. Mt. 24:39,40 says that they "knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then (tote, at the same time) shall two be in the field; the one (wise virgin) shall be taken (paralambano, taken with, from para, above, and lambano, to be seized, removed, taken up), and the other (the foolish virgin) left."

Mt. 24: 44,45 says, "be ye (believers) also READY: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and WISE SERVANT....

> > ...we are coming into a critical window of time where these last years between now and 2007 will see the signing of the covenant with the ac shortly before Passover, the start of the two special witnesses 1260 day ministry, the pivitol midpoint where the ac BREAKS the covenant...would be on Rosh HaShana 2006 (counterfeiting Christ's return by commiting the abomination of desolation in the temple,declaring himself god), and the ONE YEAR, anniversary to anniversary (RoshHashana 2007 when the true Christ, Yeshua, returns) in which the broken covenant and the shortened days roll in with what Jesus called the Great all fits. AS PHIL ROGERS SAYS, IS IT ALL JUST A BIG COINCIDENCE?

Let's rethink the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 a bit. Mid-week, the False Prophet will sit in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). Psa 55:20,21 says, "He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: HE HATH BROKEN HIS COVENANT. The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords."

In the Stone Edition of the Tanach, Dan. 9:26,27 says, "his (the False Prophet's) end will be [TO BE SWEPT AWAY AS] IN A FLOOD."

That could refer to Noah's Flood, but it sounds like when the asteroid impacting the Mediterranean Sea on the Day of God's Wrath sends a great tsunami to overflow the land.

Continuing, it says, "Then, until the end of the war (of Armageddon following Christ's Second Advent), desolation is decreed.

Then verse 27 (Stone) says, "He (the False Prophet) will forge a strong covenant with the great ones for one septet; but for half of that septet he will abolish sacrifice and meal-offering, and the mute abominations (idols) will be upon soaring heights, UNTIL EXTERMINATION (by the tsunami) as decreed will pour down upon the mute [abomination]."

At the same time that the idol is exterminated, the False Prophet will be deposed from office. Zech. 11:16,17 says, "I will raise up a shepherd (the foolish shepherd, v. 15) in the land (Israel), which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock (he goes to Babylon)! the sword (the Sword of the LORD, the asteroid impact) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

Woe, woe, woe! The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will hit the Mediterranean Sea and the tsunami will exterminate the idol. I expect the Tribulation temple to be washed away too. Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain. The asteroid of 8:10 will obliterate literal Babylon in Iraq.

What about the timing? Mt. 24:15 mentions the abomination of desolation (the idol). Therefore, Mt. 24:21,22 applies to the latter half of the 70th week of Daniel. It says (KJV), "For then (from the time that the idol is placed at the temple) shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days (the latter half of the 70th week of Dan. 9:27, also called the Great Tribulation) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

How much the last half of the septet is shortened is hard to figure out. Because of Dan. 8:13,14, I thought the 70th week would last 2300 days. For that to have applied, the beginning of the 70th week would have probably started on Pentecost in 2001. Since we are past that and the Pre-Trib Rapture hasn't yet taken place, let's read it again. Maybe there is something there that we didn't see before.

Dan. 8:13,14 (WEB, World English Bible) says, "He said to me, To two thousand and three hundred evenings and mornings; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Could this refer to 1150 days instead of 2300? Frank Caw once told me he thought it meant 1150 days. The 1260 days of Rev. 11:3, when the 2 witnesses prophesy during the 1st half of the 70th week of Daniel, plus 1150 days equals 2410 days.

Incoming email

From Barbara Richmond

A group of senior Jordanian engineers are due to arrive in Jerusalem on Monday to repair a large bulge in the Temple Mount's southern wall, the Jordanian official who will be heading the team said Thursday. The team of three engineers will start the renovation work by "closing the open holes and joints in the wall," said Dr. Raef Najim, vice president of the state-run Jordanian Construction Committee in a telephone interview from Amman....

After waiting for the stones to dry, which will take several days, the Jordanian engineers will pump binding materials into the wall, Najim said. After that, experts will begin working on large stones that need repair, a process which will likely take a couple of months, as the engineers expect to extract several hundred eroding stones from the wall, Najim said.

This does not sound like mortar with lime, it sounds more like hi tech polymer adhesive. Sounds like Ezekiel was right!

My reply

Thanks. Sharon approves the new US, EU, UN, Russia peace plan.

See: Sharon approves new Middle East 'roadmap'

Eze 13:10-14 says, "they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower (a tsunami when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea) in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD."

Incoming email, Re: Dr. Eby

You know that I love your site and I thank you for responding so quickly and succinctly to my comments, but I have one thing against the way that you are trying to teach the public. The many hours of study that you do and these precious grains of wisdom of God's word that you gain from careful study are true jewels that He is revealing to you. You take them and expound on them and you help all of us understand our Creator and Redeemer more and more each day.

You allow us to discuss with you our thoughts and you clarify and expand on them giving us new insight that we treasure, but then amidst all this revelation of precious jewels, you will occasionally throw into your wonderful words, pure unprovable hearsay about somebody or other's dream or "vision". I am in fact talking about your latest pro and con that talks about Dr. Eby.

For 20 years some people have been hanging onto Dr. Eby's "vision" as the truth and you have mentioned his "vision" several times on your site along with others who write to you about their own personal dreams and because we readers are reading your site to gain more understanding of God's word we rely on you to tell us and expound on what you have discovered from God's word. We want the truth and we are wonderfully pleased and in awe when a hidden truth is revealed. I think of the verse in the Bible where it says "didn't our hearts burn within us".

That is the way that I feel when I am shown some new insight that you have discovered from all your study. My particular discomfort comes when you post someone's dream or vision AS IF IT MIGHT BE A FACT.

Now 20 years later, after the death of Dr. Eby, the "vision" is not quite what everyone was thinking that it was. Now, it must have meant something else.

My point is, Dear Marilyn, that we need you to be a truth teller, a student of GOD's word, gleaning more and more from HIS word by careful study and prayer. We all know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump and it pains me each time that you stray from God's word to go off on a trip down somebody's dream-or-vision road.

Satan will sometimes even use the Christian to say something to tweak one's faith ever so slightly and to throw a little doubt into the mix. I am afraid, Marilyn, for all those who read your site and are in love with our Heavenly Father and want to know Him more deeply, to find even the slightest dark cloud on a website that brings such sunlight and warmth to all of us.

Please consider these words that I have sent and please dear Marilyn keep in mind all those babies out there. In loving Christian concern

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

Since the previous information about Dr. Eby is on the Pro and Cons, I need to print the new development so you can decide whether to keep it or trash it. Each of us is responsible for sorting incoming information for ourselves.

Don't take incoming email as my thoughts or as fact. Don't even take my opinions as fact. I hope my understanding is correct, but none of us is perfect. Discussing things with others can help us discern the truth.

We all need to watch developments, and compare everything with the Bible. Keep the good, throw out the bad, and dump the rest in the ??? folder. Agape

My outgoing e-mail, Re: how long do we have before Niburu passes?

I don't think there is any such thing. I read Sitchin's Twelfth Planet, but he didn't convince me on that. However, he did recognize that there was a planet that was split apart in the Asteroid Belt. I have to give him credit for that.

His definition of Tehom Raba as "great Tiamat" seems wrong. According the the Original Bible, tehom is the depths of the seas. I can't see where Sitchin got his "Hammered Bracelet" out of rakiah, the expanse of the heavens. His idea that half of Rahab was moved to an empty spot and became Earth does not seem possible, because Earth was here from the beginning, and it was not created a desolate ruin. It became that way. Why should we assume that there was an empty spot here when there were no other empty spots in the planetary lineup?

There will be a Rapture, but it won't necessarily be as this article says. Agape

Incoming email

...I still think the Rapture will be Feb 10th. Interesting that on the 10th at the Hajj, the Muslims will be preparing for their most sacred Feast Day of the year: "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts (they even sacrifice baby camels on the 10th and sooner for this feast day on the 11th) [the "priests" here are not Jewish, but Muslims set aside for this very purpose.); and one of them (This coming Feb 10th) will take you away with it." (Malachi 2:3

Verse 4 says, "And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with LEVI, (saith the Lord of Hosts."

On the contrary, God tells the JEWS to "keep their solemn feasts: "...O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked (Islam) shall not pass through thee; he is utterly cut off." (Nahum 1:15)

Notice in Malachi 1:2 and 3 that the whole of Malachi, I think, is devoted to what is about to happen in the Middle East. God is talking to both the Jews and the Islamists. They will both pass through the refiners fire (Mal 3:1-6), but only Israel comes forth unscathed out of the "fiery furnace--as in Daniel) to walk upon the ashes of their enemies. (Malachi 4:1-3) This will begin the 7 year trib and the 7th envelope of the Rabbi, which I think will warn the Jews about the rise of the Antichrist.

My reply

...I think Mal. 2:3,s "your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it" applies to Israel and the Feast of Trumpets. The 7 trumpet judgments are to be unleashed on the world on the Day of Destruction, Day of God's Wrath, Day of Thick Darkness, Day of Rebuke, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium.

Hosea 9:5-7 says, "What will ye do in the solemn day, and in the DAY OF THE FEAST OF THE LORD? For, lo, they are gone because of DESTRUCTION: Egypt shall gather them up, Memphis shall bury them: the pleasant places for their silver, nettles shall possess them: thorns shall be in their tabernacles. The days of visitation are come, the DAYS OF RECOMPENSE ARE COME; Israel shall know it: the prophet (False Prophet) is a fool, the spiritual man (Tribulation Pope) is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred."

Hos 5:7-9 says, "They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a MONTH (chodesh, new moon, i.e., Feast of Trumpets, only feast on the 1st of the month) devour them with their portions. Blow ye the cornet in Gibeah, and the trumpet in Ramah: cry aloud at Bethaven, after thee, O Benjamin. Ephraim shall be desolate in the DAY OF REBUKE: among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be."

> > This will begin the 7 year trib and the 7th envelope of the Rabbi

The destruction on the Feast of Trumpets will end the shortened Great Tribulation. The 7 envelopes were a hoax. Agape

Incoming email,Re: Red Heifer Gives Birth to a Lamb

It happened at Passover shortly before the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70. The first-century historian Flavius Josephus claimed that this unusual story was absolutely true. He wrote: “A heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the Temple … I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it” (Wars of the Jews, Book VI, Chapter V, Paragraph 3).

This is one of the most unusual events in the annals of Jewish history. First, it was what one might call a “virgin birth.” The priesthood was in charge of examining the red heifer for three years to be sure she was perfect. Second, such a birth is a biological impossibility. A cow can only give birth to a calf – not a lamb! Yet, this miracle took place in the Temple compound just before the heifer was to be taken out to the Mount of Olives for sacrifice.

I have long believed that the red heifer is a type of Israel. God’s punishment of the Chosen People corresponds with the sacrifice of the heifer. Israel has been called the “wife of Jehovah,” but as such, has never borne spiritual fruit. One does not find Jews out winning souls. There are no Jewish radio or television programs preaching a gospel of repentance for Gentiles. They send no missionaries. Israel has borne no fruit – except one – the Lamb of God!

Incoming email, Re: mortar for wall

Daubing is exactly what they are doing, "...Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? " describes it perfectly.

Regarding the quartet's peace plan, this could well be the Daniel 9 covenant, in which case we should be out of here shortly! It will be interesting to see who the signers are! (hopefully not from this planet, however!)

My reply

It is amazing how literal it turns out to be. Eze 13:15 says, "Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it." Agape

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