Pro and Con 988

Posted 1-10-03

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Owner of James Ossuary says box could have held bones of only three people


TORONTO (CP) 11-22-02 - When Oded Golan was eight years old he found several stone objects on a hill behind his parents' home near Tel Aviv. They turned out to be artifacts from 900 BC.

At age 10, he found a piece of stone with etchings on it, buried in a pile of rubble behind the hotel where he was vacationing with his parents in northern Israel. That piece is considered the oldest known dictionary....

As a university student, he bought three burial boxes, called ossuaries, to add to his growing collection of antiquities....

An inscription on the box in Aramaic reads: "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus," leading some scholars to believe it once contained the remains of James, the brother of Jesus of Nazareth.

Golan said he missed the significance of the inscription because of his poor understanding of Aramaic. He could only translate the names James, Joseph and Jesus - popular Jewish names at the time - and deducted that the trio must be a son, father and grandfather....

Fuchs has figured out that there were "not more than three people" to have the name James, their father Joseph, their brother Jesus and also be wealthy enough to be able to purchase an ossuary themselves or by the community, Golan said....

Adding to the argument is the fact that brothers "were rarely named on ossuaries unless they were a very famous person," he said....

Golan admitted that while he recognizes the significance of ossuary, he's not a religious person....

Repair of ossuary helps ROM authenticate its age

TORONTO - Officials at the Royal Ontario Museum say they have repaired the stone burial box known as the James ossuary and in the process have made some new discoveries about its age....

The James ossuary was unveiled for the media on Thursday. It is a stone container that some scholars say once held the remains of Jesus' brother. It was brought to Toronto at the end of last month, but when the crate was opened, museum officials discovered it had been cracked.

The ROM promised to fix it and in doing so senior curator Ed Keall says experts ended up examining the box more closely than they would have otherwise.

"Curiously, recent discoveries and by recent I mean 10 a.m. on Monday morning...

As officials were working at repairing the crack they were able to examine the stone more carefully. Ancient fossils of roots were found along the edges of an original crack in the stone.

Officials also discovered an incised star-circle and minute flecks of red paint on the back of the box, common decorations on ossuaries dating between 50-70 A.D....

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wait to you see the pictures in BAR. It was not just cracked, it was smashed in many pieces! A remarkable restoration job.

My reply

Thanks so much for the Jan./Feb. 03 copy of the Biblical Archaeology Review magazine. I am astounded at the damage to the James-brother-of-Jesus ossuary. I had heard that it was cracked, not badly broken. They had to take it apart to repair it. The Lord must have arranged for it to be at the right place, Toronto's Royal Ontario Museum, where Eva Dziadowiec, a specialist in conservation and restoration of stone objects, was located. I had heard that Jerusalem limestone was rather soft. Now I believe it.

I read somewhere that Oded Golan, has about 3000 pieces in his collection. The BAR says, "For the moment, Golan is the world's best-known private collector of Biblical artifacts." He meant to not reveal who he was, but he has become known worldwide in spite of himself.

He became interested in archaeology early. "When he was only nine years old, he discovered a cuneiform tablet in an archaeological dump. As a youngster he developed a relationship with the illustrious Israeli Biblical archaeologist Yigael Yadin, who invited the then-11-year-old boy to participate in Yadin's dig at Masada."

I hope that Golan, and many others, will come to accept Yeshua HaMashiach because of the worldwide interest in the James ossuary.

Official: Pope 'Deeply Worried' Over Iraq - 1-4-03

From 5 Doves site, Re: "Is the Day of the Lord "one day"

Sam Orlando (9 Jan 2003)

Sam said:
Some on this site have called the day of the rapture "The day of the Lord". Mrs. Agee believes it is one day, September 13th, 2007 when the asteroids hit earth. Some believe that the entire Millennial reign of Christ is the day of the Lord. Maybe they are all correct....

From Pentecost June 7th, 2003 till September 13th 2007 it is 1560 days. If you Add 1260 days (3-1/2 years) to Pentecost, June 7th, 2003 you have "1560 days". If the first half of the Tribulation is 1260 days long, then you will only have exactly "300" days left for the second half of the trib. E.W. Bullinger says about the number "30"...".being 3 x 10, denotes in a higher degree the perfection of Divine order, as marking the right moment." Jesus was 30 at the commencement of his ministry, Joseph his type was the same age; David also, when he began to reign...."would this imply 3 x 100, for the Highest degree of perfection of Divine order?

Mid-trib would be November 17th, 2006 which is 1260 days from Pentecost June 7th, 2003, when the ac breaks his covenant....

My reply

Thanks for these figures, you think like I do about Pentecost being a likely time for the Rapture.

I'd like to clear up the confusion about the Day of the Lord. Strictly speaking, it is one day, the first day of the Millennial Reign of Christ. However, the Millennium is commonly referred to as the millennial Day of the Lord, as the 70th week of Daniel is called the Tribulation. I'll list the scriptures showing that the Day of the Lord is one day, and as you said, I think it will be Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

It will be a day like no other--ever.

I think all the things listed below will take place on that one day, Jesus' Long Day, of which Joshua's Long Day was a type.

Jos 10:11-13 describes the type of Jesus/Joshua's Long Day. It says, it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies."

The first day of the Millennium, the Day of the Lord, is also called the Day of God. 2Pe 3:12 says, "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of THE DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat."


Gathering to the "general assembly" the Pre-Trib-Rapture saints from one end of Heaven to the other
Coronation of Christ
Marriage of the Lamb
Judgment Seat of Christ
Rewards given to believers in Heaven
Just rewards given to unbelievers on Earth
Marriage Supper of the Lamb

Day of God's Wrath
Rapture of the Tribulation saints in the night or early morning
Gog's army attacks Israel
7 trumpet judgments poured on unbelievers
Binary asteroid that splits apart impacts Earth at noon
The "mountain burning with fire" impacts the Mediterranean Sea
Only 1/6th of Gog's army left alive to flee from Israel
The "great star" (aster) burning with fire destroys Babylon, Iraq
Worldwide earthquake causes every wall to fall
Cities of the nations destroyed
No man will ever set foot in Babylon again
Damascus will cease to be a city
Egypt will be so badly damaged, no one will live there for 40 years

Each of the two Raptures is called The Day of the Son of Man. Luk 17:22 says, "he said unto the disciples, The days (plural) will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE of the DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN, and ye shall not see it.... Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN."


Mal 4:5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful DAY OF THE LORD."

Joe 2:31 "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood (6th seal, Rev. 6:12), BEFORE the great and the terrible DAY OF THE LORD come."

Amo 5:18 "Woe unto you that desire the DAY OF THE LORD! to what end is it for you? the DAY OF THE LORD is darkness (6th seal, Rev. 6:12), and not light." It is not the day of the Second Advent. Of that day, Zech. 14:5-7 says, "the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light."

1Co 5:5 "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved (i.e., the Pre-Wrath Rapture) in the DAY OF THE LORD JESUS."

2Co 1:14 "As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the DAY OF THE LORD JESUS."

Isa 2:12 "the DAY OF THE LORD OF HOSTS (Christ, Isa. 44:6) shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low."

Jer 46:10 "this is the DAY OF THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS (Christ, Isa. 44:6), a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts (Christ) hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Isa 13:5,6,9 "Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the DAY OF THE LORD. Howl ye; for the the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand (it starts at 6 PM); it shall come as a destruction from THE ALMIGHTY" (Christ, Rev. 1:8)....Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it." The Judgment Seat of Christ is that day.

Joe 1:15 "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from THE ALMIGHTY (Christ, Rev. 1:8) shall it come."

Eze 30:3 "For the day is near (it will start at 6 PM), even the DAY OF THE LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen."

Joe 2:1 "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand".

Joe 2:11 "the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the DAY OF THE LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"

Joe 3:14 "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the DAY OF THE LORD is near in the valley of decision."

Amo 5:20 "Shall not the DAY OF THE LORD be darkness (6th seal, Rev. 6:12), and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?"

Oba 1:15 "For the DAY OF THE LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head."

Zep 1:7 "Hold thy peace at the presence (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky) of the LORD GOD: for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests."

Zep 1:14 "The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near (it comes at 6 PM), and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the DAY OF THE LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly."

Zec 14:1 "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee."

2Pe 3:10 "But the DAY OF THE LORD will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens (atmospheric) shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Lam 2:22 "Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed."

Zep 1:8 "it shall come to pass in the DAY OF THE LORD'S SACRIFICE, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel."


Zep 1:18 "Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the DAY OF THE LORD'S WRATH; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land" (erets Israel).

Zep 2:23 "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture that day) in the DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER." Agape

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Our "peaceful" and "tolerant" Koran-believing Muslims. This should be entitled, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
FrontPageMagazine, Dec.30/02
The Daughter of an Arab Warrior Against Israel Tells Her Tale; exposes the dark side of the Moslem culture and Islamic fundamentalists.

By Nonie Darwish, an American of Arab/Moslem origin and a former editor andtranslator. (Her e-mail is

I hope that my story will shed light on the truth in the Middle East to every American, especially to those who subscribe to the erroneous idea that US policy in that region must have caused Islamic and Arab hatred of the West.

My father, who was not a Palestinian, was a very prominent military officer in the Middle East, I will not mention the country for personal reasons. His job was to mobilize Palestinian forces into Israeli territory and cause as much death and damage to Israel as possible. As a small child in the 50's, I remember the horror of being told not to take any candy or fruit from any stranger since it could have a bomb in it. Our house was surrounded with security, a couple of times our train trip was cancelled because the train tracks were bombed. I remember sleeping nights under the bed fearing the sound of bombs and explosions.

I remember going to a Palestinian preschool and kindergarten and the word "Jew" instilled terror and dread into the core of my very being. A Jewish person was portrayed like less than human, a dog, an evil alien from outer space who was about to destroy the world. Jews, they said, had no home because they were cursed by God and the main mission of Islam was to get rid of Jews. As a small child I remember once, at a Palestinian school, asking "why?" The response was that I was a traitor for asking this question and would go to hell, and for the rest of the day the girls in the school did not talk to me. The education was mainly political, teaching kids the hatred of Israel. Arabic poetry was recited daily, with tears in Palestinian children's eyes, on how Palestine was taken from them and how they will retaliate and even die to get it back.

In spite of this atmosphere, my own family which was not Palestinian, did not discuss this hatred. To my mother, and I think also to my father, whom I hardly remember, his job was his duty, nothing more and nothing less, and I don't think he really liked it. My mother said that he was getting sick of his job and was promised to leave his post and get transferred to a post that did not require living on the edge as he and all of us (his family) were. Two weeks before leaving his post he was killed by the Israelis in retaliation.

My loving father died at age 35 and never saw his children grow, let alone his grandchildren. He was robbed of his life and for that I blame the Middle Eastern Islamic culture and the propaganda of hatred taught to children from birth.

Immediately after my father's death many people congratulated (!!!) us as the children of a hero and a shahid "Martyr". I remember I spent many nights crying alone wishing he did not have a cause to die for and I resented the idea of martyrdom. It never made sense to my young mind then since, why should God want us to die for a cause when he gave us life?! I was told that my dad was in heaven now since he died as martyr and schools and streets were named after him. I was shocked to know that almost 90% of streets in the Middle East are named after martyrs. As I walked in my neighborhood I found street after street with men's names who gave their lives to martyrdom! What a disaster to many families and children, but we were taught only to be proud and retaliate! I dreamed my father would probably come back home from heaven since we needed him more than heaven.

In the funeral I saw men crying like children after his death since he was deeply loved by others too. My mother, after the funeral, was left in a severe depression of which she never truly recovered and my childhood together with my siblings was further ruined. We received a generous pension from the government and so my mother was able to send us to the best private schools. I was very lucky to go to a Catholic school run by Irish nuns.

After a short time, the people who had congratulated us were nowhere to be found, and my mother had very little emotional help. Being in the Middle East in the late 50's, it was very difficult for a woman to live without a husband. There is practically no social structure of support for widows. It is a very clan-like society. Your strength and social status comes only from your family and especially your male relatives. Despite the crowded cities of the Middle East and close proximity of living conditions, the people seem friendly but are isolated from one another and believe in envy. There is strict ritual of behavior, but not genuine social cohesion. The culture is dominated by the idea that "I will be cursed by people who will envy me" to the point of paranoia. People have to keep their distance, sometimes even from their own family members, in defense from the Evil Eye. They always point out that "envy" was mentioned in the Koran. They never discussed envy as a sin that hurts the person who is envious, but as a curse that one has to be on guard against. They learn to keep all good news secret and wear blue beads to stop the Evil Eye.

All the good Moslems who were very proud of my Dad stopped visiting after a few weeks. Maybe some women did not want us to envy them having husbands and fathers! The relationships among Moslem women were extremely competitive since, according to the Islamic law, husbands can have up to four wives, therefore visiting and being friendly with widowed women can be very threatening. Women actually could shun a beautiful young widow like my mother. One time I heard a woman telling her husband that he could fool around if he wanted to, but to please never marry another woman. Family loyalties and structure is very different there.

In the Middle East a woman's reputation is everything. Neighbors would watch every step of a woman leaving her house, what time she came home and who visited her. I remember my mother chastised me and grounded me because a boy came to talk to me when I was waiting for her to pick me up from school. She said "don't you care about your reputation, having no father and a boy talking to you on the sidewalk?!" I can't blame her now since she was living in this tragedy herself.

The first day I attended my Catholic school, the nuns told my mother they were praying for her. The first day was very peaceful and I felt love among people for the first time in a long time. It was a different kind of love, a peaceful kind of love that wants nothing in return. Half the class was Moslem and we attended a class once a day to learn the Koran. The "Islam" teacher merely recited verses and spoke of Islamic history. I constantly felt that the God of Islam was always angry at us and there was a constant threat of Hell. We never discussed love and a large amount of time was devoted to the wars of Mohammed and how he won most of them. He and his followers would engage in wars with other tribes from Mecca and kill and loot their caravans. They did that for 20 years until Mohamed won and Mecca surrendered. As a child the stories scared me. I am very appreciative that my mother never insisted on us to practice Islam and she had no hatred toward other religions.

The Middle East culture deprived me of my father and left me and my siblings helpless orphans with no emotional support from a cruel social structure. I grew up with anger and struggled for a long time to keep my sanity. My trust of people and sense of security was shattered and I learned to question anything and everything starting with the Arab hatred of Jews. The Moslems' hatred of Christians came next after Jews. I guess there were too many Arab Christians and perhaps the idea was, take one at a time, get rid first of Jews, then Christians.

Christians were commonly called "Blue Bone", I never knew what that meant, but I do know that it meant something bad. When I grew up and finished college I could not stay in this society any longer. My love of life won and I refused to fall into the cycle of hate and live in a society with clashing contradictions. The culture that does not have enough value for life will not have value for people to get together to advance their economic and social condition. That is why most Middle East and Moslem countries are economic basket cases. Thank God a country called the USA opened its arms to people from all across the world, and I was honored to immigrate to the US over 23 years ago and become a part of this great nation.

I could not adjust to a Middle East culture that doesn't value children's life enough, a culture that orphans its own children and is so obsessed with hatred of Jews that it's ready to sacrifice the morals and health of its family structure over a few miles of land and the city of Jerusalem, which is the holy land of Jews and Christians. Unfortunately, the current Islamic culture is in the process of committing moral suicide.

The U.S.A. set an example to the world on how different races and different religions can coexist with respect despite their differences. I wish Islam would show some grace and accept the Jewish people and the state of Israel. The Jewish people enrich the Middle East culture and tie us to the historical origin of the region. Can you believe what a tragedy it would be if all Jews in the Middle East left? I sometimes daydream of a day in which the Moslems welcome and celebrate the Jewish existence in the Middle East and realize that the Jewish religion is not a threat to them and that it is the origin of both Christianity and Islam. Islam took a lot from Judaism and Christianity and perhaps is afraid of being exposed. Could that be why Moslems don't want to coexist with other religions? Moslems are very sensitive when you point to the fact that their holiest day of celebration is the Bible story of Abraham, his son and the lamb. In reality, they don't need to feel this way since Islam has developed into its own identity and distinction.

A message to all Middle East women: it is in your hands to change your society. Stop being submissive in giving up your husbands and sons to martyrdom. What a tragedy when you celebrate the death of your suicide bombers sons. Value their lives so they might value theirs and maybe they will respect you more.

I plead to the wives and daughters of "Shahid" to listen. The same people who will congratulate you on your beloved "Shahid" father or son are the same people who will criticize you as a loose woman when they see you leave your homes alone without a man to run your life. The people who encourage terrorists and Shahids are cruel and evil people that hide behind the Koran for the sake of attaining power and high office. They are ready to give up these men's lives and maybe throw a little money to the families. That might fool some as support, but wait, in no time you will be alone in bringing up your kids and facing the difficulties of life alone in a merciless society that has no respect for single women. You will be without a husband and your children deprived of fathers growing up. They are ready to sacrifice generation after generation of women widowed at a young age and children orphaned! For what? I remember as a teenager when people criticized our home as having no man in it, and people watching all our moves and criticizing us when we had male guests. In Islam every home is respected by the male figure in it. How about the homes of "martyrs" Usama and Arafat? Has any one of the virtuous Moslem leaders thought of that? Don't be fooled by the glory of being a martyr. I learned that the hard way, but thank God I triumphed. I could not have done it without living in freedom in the USA.

As a child I was asked by many: "Are you going to avenge the killing of your father by killing Jews?" My answer now as an adult is a firm "no". Instead, I will live to expose the dark side of the Moslem culture and Islamic fundamentalists.

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