Pro and Con 994

Posted 9-1-02

Incoming email, Re: Paolo Porsia (10 Jan 2003) "TO Marilyn Agee"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2003/paolop110-2.htm

Why the emnity you have toward catholic church makes you BLIND? How can't you see what is the DIFFERENCE between what you think is the enemy and THE REAL ENEMY? We Share the Nicene Creed. We Share the same God. We Share CHRIST ABOVE ALL!

Anyway if you want to be leaded by resentment and HATE (yes is THIS the word) Rejoice! 'Cause that "devilish bunch" called "Roman Catholic Church" WILL BE WIPED OUT and his POPE ASSASSINATED!

By WHOM? By the UNITED ARAB ARMY of the ASSYRIAN...Which will invade Italy soon very soon...What will be your reaction when you will see this?

I hope you will FINALLY SEE THE TRUTH...Stop hating us, PRAY for us instad, 'cause we ARE GOING TO COMPLETE THE RANKS THE MARTYRS!
Pax et bonum, your Catholic Brother Paolo

My reply

I am not against Catholics, and I don't hate anyone, not even Arafat, Bin Laden or Saddam. They are to be pitied. They will have to endure hell because of their unbelief. That's the worst. We all deserve Hell for our sins though. It is only by faith in Christ that any of us will escape it.

We are to pray for our enemies, even feed them if there is a need. Have you noticed that even the United States does that?

I have relatives and friends that are Catholic. Most of us have a meeting of the minds. Jesus Christ is the only Savior. Only faith in Christ will save us. If we are right about Christ, we can be wrong about other things and still make it to Heaven. We can fellowship together without warfare. Everyone has a right to his own beliefs. I merely express to you my own opinions. You are free to express yours. I won't browbeat you.

There are some things about the Catholic (universal) Church that I have been holding back so as not to antagonize my friends. However, the time is coming all too soon when the voice from Heaven will say, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues" (Rev. 18:4). Now that time is short, maybe I should share a few reasons that this will take place. You can do with this information what you want. Take it to heart, or throw it out. Just be sure you have accepted Jesus Christ as your own personal Saviour. That is the important thing.

I understand that there are two groups within the Catholic (universal) Church. To one group, which I assume you are part of, Jesus says "hold fast till I come." These are truly trusting Christ as their Saviour, not trusting the Church for salvation. The other group give lip service to the teachings you are familiar with, but hold some secret beliefs that you may not be aware of.

Dr. Berry had formerly been an Augustinian Monk teaching theology at Havana University in Cuba. He came to our Bethany Baptist Church in Whittier, CA, to give us his testimony. It took two evenings to tell his whole story.

He told us that he wasn't saved as long as he was in the Catholic Church. He said he didn't even know how to be saved, and none of the other priests he knew did. They all sort of had the idea that if they got on the train named the Catholic Church, it would get them to Heaven. He finally ran away and was hunted by the church. If he had been caught, he said they would have put him in an insane asylum.

He said he had never really read the Bible. Here he was teaching theology and had never read the Bible. He said there was always the fear of interpreting it wrong. Since that would be a sin, it was safer to pray to Mary.

He couldn't work for fear of being captured. He married, stayed home and took care of the house and the children while his wife worked.

One day, he felt that he just had to tell his story to someone. He drove out into the country and turned into a driveway with a small house at the end. Not as luck would have it, but as the Lord had planned, the kindly man that came to the door was a country Baptist preacher. He listened to Dr. Berry's story. He then told Dr. Berry how to be saved and gave him a gospel tract.

Upon arriving home, Dr. Berry went next door to borrow a Holy Bible. He didn't have one of his own. He read some verses like John 3:16 that the minister had told him about, and was saved that very night. Only then did he settle down to read the Bible.

John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Whosoever includes you, me and Dr. Berry.

Rom 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

No Church of any denomination can save us, not yours or mine. They can lead us to Christ though by teaching the Bible and how to be saved. Do you hear how to be saved preached in your church? That matters. We do need to learn about Christ and His Word. How would they hear without a preacher? And how could Dr. Berry understand if he had not been taught more about scripture than he was? How could anyone?

Only Christ can save. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). All that do not accept Christ as their own personal Saviour are lost, no matter where they might attend church. We are saved by our faith in Christ, plus nothing.

It is the 2nd group in the universal church, the secret mystery-religion group, that know "the depths of Satan, as they speak" (Rev. 2:24), that we should now learn about.

Since the end of this age is near, and this knowledge is hidden, running like a river below the surface, we should acquaint ourselves with enough about the Mystery Religion of Babylon to be able to recognize its symbols when we see them anywhere. This pagan religion got mixed up with Christianity when Constantine declared Christianity the state religion and marched his army through the river to baptize them. He issued the Edict of Toleration in 311 AD. Singlehandedly, he brought pagan sun god worshipers into the Church. This is the Mystery Religion of Babylon that started with Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz. After the languages were confused and man spread out from the Tower of Babel, the pagan sun god, madonna and child have been worshiped by various names. Both currents, the worship of the Son of God and the worship of the sun god, have been running together in the Church ever since, one on the surface, the other below the surface.

Below are Jesus' own words addressed to the church at Thyatira, which means thoroughly married. These two religions are married in the Catholic Church. And lest you might assume that Jesus' words to the Protestants who escaped might be better, he truthfully told them the bare facts, "I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I HAVE NOT FOUND THY WORKS PERFECT BEFORE GOD. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent" (Rev. 3:1-3).

We all need to accept Christ as our own personal Saviour and when we sin afterward to use I John 1:9 and confess our sins to God so he can cleanse us from all unrighteousness. No one but God has the power to forgive us our sins.

In Rev 2:18-29, Jesus said, "unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass (symbols of judgment); I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (meaning unmarried, probably referring to the apparition called the virgin), which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (joining together, i.e., with pagan religions, as they are in the process of doing now), and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her SPACE TO REPENT (we are living in this space right now) of her fornication (joining); and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed (a sick bed), and them that commit adultery (join) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Continuing, Jesus said, "BUT UNTO YOU I SAY, AND UNTO THE REST IN THYATIRA, AS MANY AS HAVE NOT THIS DOCTRINE, AND WHICH HAVE NOT KNOWN THE DEPTHS OF SATAN, AS THEY SPEAK; I WILL PUT UPON YOU NONE OTHER BURDEN. BUT THAT WHICH YE HAVE ALREADY HOLD FAST TILL I COME. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the CHURCHES." This message is for us all, and we should all take it to heart.

Only because we are so near the beginning of the Tribulation, do I now show you these things. Now is when we have a need to be able to recognize the symbols of the undercurrent.

Kissing the Koran

Displaying the bent cross and wearing the hat of the pagan Dagon, the fish god

For comparison, the pagan fish-clad priest of Oannes

For comparison, the pagan Ea, the fish god

Christ's cross was not bent, neither was his body terribly withered

The monstrance, pagan sun symbol

Upside down cross

Pagan obelisk centered in pagan Sun Circle

Coin of pontificate with sunburst

> > Rejoice! 'Cause that "devilish bunch" called "Roman Catholic Church" WILL BE WIPED OUT and his POPE ASSASSINATED!
By WHOM?
By the UNITED ARAB ARMY of the ASSYRIAN...Which will invade Italy soon very soon...
What will be your reaction when you will see this?

I don't aim to be on this planet when the Tribulation runs its course, whatever happens during the worst seven years since Adam was placed on this Earth. I thank the Lord that he has made a way for us to ESCAPE at the Rapture of the Bride of Christ.

In John 14:1-3, Jesus said, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places): if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

I Thess. 4:13-18 says, "I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For IF WE BELIEVE THAT JESUS DIED AND ROSE AGAIN (totally necessary), even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Luke 21:25-28 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (apolutrosis, deliverance) draweth nigh."

Luke 21:34-36 says, "take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

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Interesting article worth reading.
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What Does The Bent Cross That The Pope Holds Represent?
Issued by The Sound of a Trumpet

1-11-03 The Bent Cross Crucifix versus the Traditional Crucifix
From Cutting Edge Ministries article on Rome and its secrets. Please notice the Crucifix that Pope John Paul II is holding up to the people (picture is above)... Study it closely, and you will realize that it is not a Traditional Crucifix... Rather, this Crucifix is known as a "Bent Cross". But, what does that mean? For the answer to that question, let us turn to a Roman Catholic author, Piers Compton, writing in his book, "The Broken Cross: Hidden Hand In the Vatican", Channel Islands, Neville Spearman, 1981.

This Bent Crucifix is "a sinister symbol, used by Satanists in the sixth century, that had been revived at the time of Vatican Two. This was a bent or broken cross, on which was displayed a repulsive and distorted figure of Christ, which the black magicians and sorcerers of the Middle Ages had made use of to represent the Biblical term 'Mark of the Beast'. Yet, not only Paul VI, but his successors, the two John-Pauls, carried that object and held it up to be revered by crowds, who had not the slightest idea that it stood for anti-Christ." (p. 72) On page 56 Compton prints a picture of the current Pope, John Paul II, holding this bent or broken cross, just as we have shown....

Therefore, Pope John Paul II is telling all the occultists the world over that he is not a Traditional Pope, but a Pope that is committed to carrying out the role of World Religious Leader as called for in the New World Order Plan. Another Roman Catholic author, Malachi Martin, makes this same claim - that Pope John Paul II is committed to the New World Order Plan in his book, "The Keys To This Blood".

...Traditional Crucifix, the cross...is not bent in any way, top or bottom. Further, the picture of Jesus Christ is a full figure without any kind of distortion or disfiguration! The Traditional Roman Catholic Crucifix is very, very different from the "Bent Cross", above.

...Protestants have always objected to the Traditional Crucifix, because it holds Jesus Christ up to continual shame, which is forbidden in Hebrews 6:6....

As you can see, the Crucifix which Pope John Paul II is holding up to adoring crowds is not the Traditional Crucifx, but is the Satanic Bent, or Broken, Cross! This Bent Crucifix was created by Satanists to depict Antichrist and his Mark of the Beast! Very soon, you will see the appearance of a global leader, calling himself The Christ, who will claim to be Jesus Christ returned, the Jewish Messiah, and the Avatar figure for which all the major religions are awaiting, all in one man. This will be Antichrist. Then, very quickly thereafter, a global religious leader will step forward to aid the Antichrist; this religious leader will possess the same miraculous power of Antichrist. At this moment, the prophecy of Revelation 13:11-14 will be fulfilled; this global religious leader will be the Biblical False Prophet.

The New World Order Plan calls for this global religious leader [False Prophet] to be the Roman Catholic Pope, and certainly, John Paul II's use of this Satanic Bent Cross is consistent with this part of the Plan....

You have been forewarned. A picture is worth a thousand words, and this Bent Cross picture labels Pope John Paul II.

My reply

Rev 19:20 names the two beasts of Rev. 13 the beast and False Prophet. It says, "the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." At the beginning of the Tribulation, I expect the Tribulation Pope to be the Beast (Rev. 13:2-10), not the False Prophet (Rev. 13:11-18). Since the False Prophet will be Satan-possessed, I call him the Antichrist.

There are two groups in the church of Thyatira (meaning dominating female, i.e., the largest church, the world church). In Zech. 5:6f, it is the world church (symbol "ephah" largest wheat measure) that is moved to the land of Shinar (Babylon). One group has "NOT this doctrine (of joining all religions together), and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak." The other group has known the depths of Satan as they speak.

Rev. 2:18-29 is Jesus' message to the largest church. It says, "unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass (type of judgment); I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (probably the apparition called our lady), which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (to join together, i.e., in the world church), and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (join up with her) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, AS MANY AS HAVE NOT THIS DOCTRINE, AND WHICH HAVE NOT KNOWN THE DEPTHS OF SATAN, AS THEY SPEAK; I will put upon you none other burden. But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Rev 2:26 "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star (Heaven, Saturn, the third heaven, II Cor. 12:1-7). He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

The great red dragon comes up out of the sea (The Holy Sea, the State of Vatican City). His 6th head is the first beast of Rev. 13:2-10. That fits the Tribulation Pope. He can come out of any nation and then be called a Roman. We do not know if this will be fulfilled by this Pope or the next one. John Paul II is the 3rd Pope to show this bent cross. The first was Pope Paul VI. He became Pope June 21, 1963, and displayed the bent cross after Vatican II.

One thing could point to the present Pope. Rev. 13:3 says that he is "as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed." The present Pope was shot 3 times May 13, 1981, by Ali Agca. John Paul II barely survived a 6-hour operation.

Whoever the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 will be, Rev. 13:6 says, "he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN." That will probably be soon after the Pre-Trib Rapture, when the Bride group is caught up to be with the Lord.

The Tribulation Pope will be given "power...over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and NATIONS. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."" (Rev. 13:7,8). We can see this coming. The foolish virgins of Christianity, along with Muslims, Jews, Hindus etc. will worship the Tribulation Pope. We already have a photo of John Paul II kissing the Koran.

The False Prophet comes up out of the land (eretz Israel) (Rev. 13:11). He is the 7th head of the great red dragon.

Here are some other pictures (omitted). John Paul II with Dagon, the fish-god's hat that looks like an open fish's mouth, the Bent Cross, the upside down cross, the hat with the upside down cross on it, and the pagan sun god's sunburst monstrance. There is also a picture of the Vatican with the 8 part sun circle with the sun god Ra's obelisk in the center.

This article mentions a Temple/Church/Mosque

POPE JOHN PAUL II EMBRACES EVOLUTION!! http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1034.html Pope John Paul II shocks the Christian world by announcing that "Evolution is Compatible with Christian faith"!! How could this Pope so strongly and directly contradict the Biblical teaching and the Traditions of the Fathers? Is Pope John Paul II a Holy Traditional Pope or is he the Unholy Anti-Pope? See how this pronouncement greatly advances the cause, and the timetable, of the coming New World Order Religion. Must reading for Roman Catholic faithful!! So, what is going on here? How can the Ultimate Authority in the Roman Catholic Church, the Vicar of Christ, who is infallible in this office, publicly pronounce something that is totally at odds with the clear teaching of the latest, most authoritative Catechism? Not to mention the Bible!! The answer will shock you, particularly if you are a faithful Roman Catholic. This statement by Pope John Paul II did not occur in a vacuum, nor is it an isolated event. The key to understanding what the Pope is doing, is the word, "convergence" in his statement. While the Pope is speaking of a "convergence" of various "scientific" studies which point to Evolution, what is really "converging" is the Plan to achieve the New World Order. The world is rushing to the final completion of the New World Order Plan, which calls for a One-World Government and Economy, headed by The Christ, plus, a One-World Religion, headed by the Pope. Please carefully read the Plan concerning the New World Order Religion, to be headed by the Roman Catholic Pope, as printed below: This part of the New World Order Plan is called, "The New Jerusalem Covenant Project". [See Footnote #8 for the source of this information] "Sometime between 1985-2010, the following scenario will unfold, depending only on the right set of circumstances: Moslem and Jewish areas in Jerusalem will be combined with Christian to create the New Jerusalem Covenant: All religions will convene to celebrate three (3) religious festivals simultaneously: 1. Festival of Goodwill-normally in May-June 2. Festival of Easter-normally in April (Celebrates new birth, as exemplified by the Christ-Jesus Christ to Christians) 3. Festival of Wesak-normally in March (Celebrates birth of the Buddha) This celebration of these three combined Festivals will create the New World Order Religion and will be the spiritual equivalent to the political United Nations." "When the religious communities of the world are thus merged, political governments are to simultaneously hold the following political/business conferences: 1. Planetary Goodwill Congress 2. Planetary Human Resource and Disarmament Congress 3. Planetary Environmental Resource and Space Congress Thus, when the three religious conferences and the three political/ business conferences are simultaneously held, a grand merger of all forces will occur worldwide that will move the world in any desired direction." [Note: Read New World Order]. "Then, and only then, will it be possible to build a combination Temple/Church/Mosque in Jerusalem." There are many facts which you will glean from this shocking plan, after you study them carefully, but I wish to focus on the role of the Roman Catholic Pope. Sometime after The Christ arises, a major conference will be held in Jerusalem. On the one hand, you will have a conference comprised of political and business leaders. While Lambert did not specify who would be chairing this conference, the unmistakable conclusion was that it would be The Christ. On the other hand, you will have another conference, separate from, but held simultaneously, to the first. This major conference will be spiritual, and will be chaired by the Pope! Please note that this global spiritual conference will be comprised of the three major religious groups in the world today: 1) Festival of Goodwill-normally in May-June-New Age Movement 2) Festival of Easter-normally in April -- Christian 3) Festival of Wesak-normally in March -- (Celebrates birth of the Buddha) Thus, the three major religious components in the world are represented at this conference. The chairman, the leader, of this New World Order religious conference, will be the Pope. He will declare that, henceforth, all the world's religions are One!! And, the name of this new, amalgamated religion will be "New World Order Religion". The Roman Catholic Pontiff will be its leader. At this point, the long-standing goal of the Roman Catholic Church, and of Pope John Paul II specifically, will be realized. For the first time since the advent of Martin Luther, and the Protestant reformation, the Roman Catholic Church will again be supreme in matters of religion. But, now, his supremacy will be complete, for it will be global for the first and only time in world history. The retired Vatican Seminary Professor, Malachi Martin, writing in his revealing book, "The Keys to This Blood", brags about the enlightened spiritual leadership of the New World Order Plan being provided by Pope John Paul II. This Pope, says Martin, has been promised by the Virgin Mary that he will be the reigning spiritual leader of the New World Order Religion. But, says Martin, the Virgin has promised John Paul II that, in due time, she will produce a global Marion Vision which will lead directly and quickly to the Pope taking control of all the elements of the New World Order, including the Political and Economic leadership, as well!!... The vast majority of Liberal Protestant Churches who are working with Rome in the Ecumenical Movement will not oppose this statement on Evolution. Or, at the very least, they will make the empty gesture of protesting this teaching, but when the Pope rejects their protest, they will still continue to cooperate with Rome in the Ecumenical Movement. At this point, the Pope can become the supreme religious ruler of the New World Order Religion. This places him in the Biblical position of the False Prophet, and his Roman Catholic Church as the False Church of Revelation 13:11-18!! Let us closely examine verse 11, for it tells us all we need to know to recognize this situation for what it is. "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth ..." The Antichrist had been identified in 13:1 as a Beast rising out of the "sea", which is representative of the many nations. But, this second Beast was seen rising out of the earth, which is representative of Israel!! Then, our understanding becomes complete, in the next phrase of verse 11, "and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." This second Beast is a religious leader that looks and acts like a Christian (having two horns like a Christian, and coming out of Israel, as did our Lord Jesus)! He claims to be Christian, and the peoples of the world definitely see him as Christian. But, inside, he has the heart of Satan!! Without doubt, this is the Roman Catholic Pope!!

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From: MichaEL Erik Rickles
Take Note of the following; Imagine the MAGEN. Jinn in Arabic means evil spirits or demons and is the root word found in genie or jinnie. A jinx, spell, curse, or incantation to summon or conjure up a genie or evil spirit to grant one's carnal wishes is a forbidden abomination of idolatrous demon worship based on occultic MAGIc. There was a difference between the magicians (majinncians) or false prophets of Baal and the Magi of DaniEL/Magen of IsraEL. The difference between the magicians/majinncians of astrology & the Magi of astronomy was like the difference between night & day. The spiritual discernment which comes from the wisdom of knowing Jesus Christ as my Lord and personal Savior makes all the difference in the world. I came around full circle and realized Jesus Christ is the answer to pi because He is The Beginning & The End, The Aleph & The Tav, The Alpha & The Omega, and The First Letter (yod-heh-vav-heh, Yahweh, Jehovah) of The Last Word (yod-shin-vav-ayin, Yeshua, Jesus).

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